Goju1 Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 And thats why I went for additional training - even though there are some serious fighters in our Dojo, there are always those who don't like to fight, don't focus on it, whatever. Thats their right, I just felt that a black belt should have some kickass ability But theres room for all, Martial arts have many functions and uses for all types.
Goju1 Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 simply muay thai would win. I don't think anything in this world is simple anymore - it would depend on the individuals involved. Maybe your average karate kid vs. the average muay thai kid I could agree. But a well trained karate-ka with some cross training would have a superior arsenal to draw from in my opinion.
TJS Posted September 9, 2003 Posted September 9, 2003 simply muay thai would win. I don't think anything in this world is simple anymore - it would depend on the individuals involved. Maybe your average karate kid vs. the average muay thai kid I could agree. But a well trained karate-ka with some cross training would have a superior arsenal to draw from in my opinion. Muay Thai Has has held an advantage over Full contact karate throught this century. The exception would be Mas Oyama and a few of his student fighting in Thailand. There have also been a few Excellent Kyokushin karate guys in K-1 but The edge would still go go Muay Thai. Your right it's not simple but looking at the track record you will see that the only ones who have been able to compete against MT at the top levels are Kyokushin karateka, and even then MT usually holds an advantage.
cross Posted September 9, 2003 Posted September 9, 2003 (edited) Your right it's not simple but looking at the track record you will see that the only ones who have been able to compete against MT at the top levels are Kyokushin karateka, and even then MT usually holds an advantage. Do you think it may be that karateka from styles other than kyokushin dont focus on competing in kickboxing fights? Edited September 10, 2003 by cross
TJS Posted September 9, 2003 Posted September 9, 2003 possibly, but Kyokushin is the only one to step up to the plate so Far.
Goju1 Posted September 9, 2003 Posted September 9, 2003 [quote="TJS and even then MT usually holds an advantage. Why is this, do you think? The kickboxers I've known don't know joint locks, grappling, etc... It seems in these tournaments that once the karate fighter got inside and either applied a joint lock/break, or took them down in a submission hold, the advantage would go to the karate guy? Or am I missing something? Just trying to educate myself...
TJS Posted September 9, 2003 Posted September 9, 2003 [quote name="TJS and even then MT usually holds an advantage.Why is this' date=' do you think? The kickboxers I've known don't know joint locks, grappling, etc... It seems in these tournaments that once the karate fighter got inside and either applied a joint lock/break, or took them down in a submission hold, the advantage would go to the karate guy? Or am I missing something? Just trying to educate myself...[/quote] I was refering to Pure Standup fighting events. If you want to Talk about MMA or NHB there werent many "pure" karate vs Muay Thai fights but they both got trashed pretty well by the "grapplers" in most cases. But if you look at it today there are quite a few MT fighters that do very well becuase they have cross trained in BJJ/Wrestling/ etc. Although there are a few that have done fairly well with a karate(Kyokushin) background.
Goju1 Posted September 9, 2003 Posted September 9, 2003 But if you look at it today there are quite a few MT fighters that do very well becuase they have cross trained in BJJ/Wrestling/ etc. Although there are a few that have done fairly well with a karate(Kyokushin) background. So if you're saying MT is better in competition, which would do better in a street fight? Assuming two persons of equal size, strength and ability (at their chosen style)? And what do you think the major differences are between 'American' kickboxing and Muay Thai? Thanks for your opinion.
Recommended Posts