Guest Posted September 4, 2003 Posted September 4, 2003 What makes a martial arts style a sport (such as Judo and Tae Kwon Do), and what makes a martial arts style a martial arts style?
delta1 Posted September 5, 2003 Posted September 5, 2003 1) If you practice it as a sport. 2) If it was designed to be a sport. TKD was developed as the national sport of Korea, and is an excellent sport style because, for one thing, most of the moves are easily seen by the judges. But I've seen it done effectively as a martial art for self defense and as a combative art. Kenpo is known as a brutal, street oriented style, but has been successfully used in competitions (though many schools 'deprogram' you before and after a tournament). Freedom isn't free!
Drunken Monkey Posted September 5, 2003 Posted September 5, 2003 sport just means competiton. therefore all martial arts can be sports. now in a sport/competition, there are rules to make things fair/safe for everyone. it goes on that some rules mean that some aspects/techniques of an art are no longer useful, hence they are omitted from the competition training. however, that does not mean that sport is not an/the art and it doesn't not mean that one or the other is better... they are just different. and one thing that's been bugging me for a bit now. why can't a sport (martial art) be a proper martial art? why do people HAVE to differentiate it from non-sport martial arts? 100metre sprint, 1200 metre run. both are running, just done differently to achieve different goals. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
TJS Posted September 5, 2003 Posted September 5, 2003 If you get paid its a sport. Thats not always true, not unless your fighting at a professional level.
Sasori_Te Posted September 5, 2003 Posted September 5, 2003 sport just means competiton. therefore all martial arts can be sports. Using simple logic your statement is faulty: Martial means "having to do with military or war", not all sports can be considered martial arts. Therefore not all martial arts can be considered sports.now in a sport/competition, there are rules to make things fair/safe for everyone. it goes on that some rules mean that some aspects/techniques of an art are no longer useful, hence they are omitted from the competition training. however, that does not mean that sport is not an/the art and it doesn't not mean that one or the other is better... they are just different. Competition rules negate the martial applications which are used to injure or kill. If you take away the martial you don't have a martial art. You can have a great sport that may provide you with confidence and some level of self protection.and one thing that's been bugging me for a bit now. why can't a sport (martial art) be a proper martial art? why do people HAVE to differentiate it from non-sport martial arts? 100metre sprint, 1200 metre run. both are running, just done differently to achieve different goals. Anyone can kick or throw a punch. That doesn't make it a martial art. The philosphy and techniques determine whether or not you have a martial art. IMHO. A block is a strike is a lock is a throw.
JerryLove Posted September 5, 2003 Posted September 5, 2003 Using simple logic your statement is faulty: Martial means "having to do with military or war", not all sports can be considered martial arts. Therefore not all martial arts can be considered sports. That's a logical fallacy. not all birds are ducks so not all ducks are birds? You are training a sport if the focus of your training is competition. You are not training a sport if the focus of your training is not on a competition. Something is martial if it is warlike or suitable for a warroir. Some of the oldest known martial arts were intended to keep soilders in fighting shape and were used in copetition (Greek wrestling for example). Something is an art if it cannot be emperically quantified (if it can, it's a science). https://www.clearsilat.com
Treebranch Posted September 5, 2003 Posted September 5, 2003 The MA's that compete are sports and sports have rules. This is not a judgement on Sport Arts it's simply what they are. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Drunken Monkey Posted September 6, 2003 Posted September 6, 2003 my point is that whatever art you are studying and then use it in competition. the moment you use it in a competition, it has become part of the sport but that doesn't mean it is no longer a martial art. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Treebranch Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 Certain MA's can't compete because certain MA's teach not to limit your options in a fight. As we all know competition fights have rules and set variables. For example, I study a Combat MA and I know that I would be limited if I stepped into the ring. Someone that fights and trains in the ring would have a distinct advantage over me, until I've had enough ring training to really feel comfortable in there. But if that same person attacked me on the street the outcome would be very different, I promise you. There are infinite variables in a real fight and also you can flee if necessary. There's nothing wrong with getting the hell out of there. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
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