renketsu Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 Hi, Just been reading an interesting debate about whether you should 'push' with your back leg or 'pull' with your front leg when stepping from zenkutsu dachi to zenkutsu dachi (like we all do in kihon/basics practise). The debate also categorically states that doing both at the same time is impossible, which seems wrong to me! I am sure the book by Elmar Schmeisser states you go from an outside tension stance (zenkutsu) to an inside tension stance (similar to hangetsu) then back to an outside stance (zenkutsu) as you transition through the above stepping technique. This implies that you are pulling and pushing at once to bring your stance into an inside tension stance! (I know I could be well wrong though! ) In my simplified terms (for those who dont already know) - outside tension stance means pushing out with the knees and pulling in with the ankles. Inside tension stance is pulling in with the knees and pushing out through the ankles. How do you move from one stance to the next (push/pull/both) and why? Andy. Andy Wilkinson (Sandan)Renketsu Karate Club Senior Instructor(http://www.renketsu.org.uk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjanurse Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 Great topic! This same issue has recently come up at the TKD school that I am currently training at. Having a Shotokan background I have a similar undersanding of fumadashi and fumakoshi as you however this seems to be lacking in other styles-but maybe it's just a matter of teaching differences, theory, etc..I don't know. Anyway I feel that all movement-although termed basic-is very comlex and involves subtle yet important changes in flexion, center of gravity, etc., that shouldn't be discounted just because it takes years of training to appreciate them. A three step sequence of movement from one stance to the next eventually becomes one quick movement to the untrained eye as the practitioner develops this important skill through years of practice and development. "A Black Belt is only the beginning."Heidi-A student of the artsTae Kwon Do,Shotokan,Ju Jitsu,Modern Arnishttp://the100info.tumblr.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goju1 Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 we take very deep stances in kata and practice, so pulling with front leg becomes necessary. However in other shorter stances, we will push with the rear leg - good topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Practise is the Key Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 keep your stances a strong deep foundation and keep your head moving the same level just imagine thiers a ceiling above your head push your front leg and make sure you don't see your big toe. Kaiba dachi- Horse stance hachiji dachi- Open-leg stance Heisoku dachi- Informal attention stance Kokutso dachi-back stance Yoi-ready stance Bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye see you later my friend ahhahah I am still training however, having dabbled in Shotokan and Shotokai Karate. I am please to report that Kenshukai is one of the strongest and most disciplined styles ( i did not write this) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G95champ Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 Shotokan we push. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheradenine Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 In Chidokan we push.. the lower your stance the more friction you have to the floor, and especially during basic exercises when trying to build a little muscle on the leg. However, I have never really thought of pulling from the front leg as an option.. just something to be careful not to do.. I may experiment with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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