wrestlingkaratechamp Posted September 5, 2003 Posted September 5, 2003 "That double arm elbow break/throw is an awesome interpretation of the upper/lower strike/block seen in Pinan Sandan. It's in the Naihanchi kata, too." I know the same one
karatekid1975 Posted September 6, 2003 Posted September 6, 2003 Here's the link I mentioned in my earlier post ..... I hope it works this time. http://www.budostudienkreis.de/Video/VidUbers.htm It's not in english, but if you know Japanese term, it's easy to figure out Laurie F
Rick E. Posted September 19, 2003 Posted September 19, 2003 Here's the link I mentioned in my earlier post ..... I hope it works this time. http://www.budostudienkreis.de/Video/VidUbers.htm It's not in english, but if you know Japanese term, it's easy to figure out awesome find, bookmarked
karatekid1975 Posted September 19, 2003 Posted September 19, 2003 Thanks It wasn't easy to find, so I bookmarked it myself Laurie F
Goju1 Posted September 19, 2003 Posted September 19, 2003 The slow muchimi double block in Shisochin, followed by the body twist and elbow strike is actually a block, wrist hold and elbow break
Beer-monster Posted September 21, 2003 Posted September 21, 2003 I have recently started jiu-jitsu and can say that the movements in the kata are similar top the basic movements behind many throws and locks, though exaggerated for mneumonic purposes. Particular wheres stances are concerned. Many people regard kiba-datchi or horse stance as a leg strength exercise, and it undoubtably serves this purpose well. But in jiu-jitsu and judo many standing joint locks particularly arm bars are perfromed in this stance as it allows you to push your body weight downwards on the lock and apply pressure without comprising you balance by bending over. An example of this is in pinan sandan. Where you drop into a low horse stance with your arms pulled at the side before lashing out your lead arm in a gedan barai move. This makes a good arm lock as when you seize or are seized by the arm you pull the captured arm back to your hip in a twisting hikite with the lead arm wrapping over the top with the forearm over the elbow joint. Dropping in to kiba datchi you apply pressure to the elbow and can snap it easily. After applying the lock or break (or if it fails) use your lead hand to strike with tetsui-uke (hammerfist) to the temple and finish. There is also a great shoulder lock in Pinan Shodan (heian nidan). I would recommend Iain Abernethy's book (Imaginitively called "Karate Graplling methods") if any of you want to study this more, as I personally find it fascinating. Does anyone know any grappling Bunkai for Chinto (Gankaku I think, can anyone confirm ) as the sailor Chin To (for who the kata was named) was supposedly a wrestler or grappler of some form (my guess is Shiau Chiou). I unfornately have not learnt this form yet And any for Matsu kaze? Mind, body and fist. Its all a man truly needs.
Kirves Posted September 21, 2003 Posted September 21, 2003 Many people regard kiba-datchi or horse stance as a leg strength exercise warning: They just haven't been taught proper bunkai. That claim is always done by people who have no idea what they are supposed to do with the kata, then they make up reasons for themselves to justify kata training. Go study some authentic old school Okinawan style and you'll see what I mean. Try Jundokan Goju-ryu, Seibukan Shorin-ryu or Yuishinkai Karate-jutsu and you don't have to make excuses for kata training, it will all become clear. When Sensei Miyagi designed his kata, he did not hide movements into it and tell his students to try to guess what he means. He taught the bunkai that he meant with the kata. After WW2 the Japanese didn't bother studying with their Okinawan masters and they lost the bunkai knowledge, then they made the excuses. But on Okinawa they still train the old way: with proper bunkai of the kata designer still known. The greatest misconception of karate kata is that the bunkai should be guessed or designed by the student. Each move that was put into the kata by the master, was also taught by the master. In old schools this is still the way it is done. You are taught a kata, and you are taught the bunkai that the kata designer meant along with it. No fuzz, no mystery. No Dillman-B.S. just plain self defence.
Beer-monster Posted September 21, 2003 Posted September 21, 2003 Um...I never said that it was a leg strengthening exercise. I know it isn't. I just stated that many people say that why its there and that it can serve such a purpose if you want it to. Then again many people think the stances are just their to make the kata look good. But then some people think the moon landing was fake. Mind, body and fist. Its all a man truly needs.
Kirves Posted September 22, 2003 Posted September 22, 2003 Um...I never said that it was a leg strengthening exercise. I know it isn't. I just stated that many people say that why its there and that it can serve such a purpose if you want it to. I didn't mean to imply you did. I was just responding about their misconception. Sorry if it didn't come out that way.
Goju1 Posted September 22, 2003 Posted September 22, 2003 The greatest misconception of karate kata is that the bunkai should be guessed or designed by the student. Each move that was put into the kata by the master, was also taught by the master. In old schools this is still the way it is done. You are taught a kata, and you are taught the bunkai that the kata designer meant along with it. No fuzz, no mystery. No Dillman-B.S. just plain self defence. Thank You! I've been trying to explain this forever and no one seems to get it! This is the only way of karate I know - I was beginning to think I was alone?
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