Grappling arts vs Striking Arts

[aznkarateboi]

didyou try my experiment yet, warpspider?

[TJS]

Give it up warp it's opbvious your case is weak at best.

 

Unless you can provide specific example of fights where the techniques you are talking about ("the spear" "slamming peoples head form the mount" etc) were attempted but unsecesful because of the flooring(the one people have been Knocked out on several times).

[Warp Spider]

didyou try my experiment yet, warpspider?

 

I don't think I saw it, but I'll probrably try it if you can point me to it.

Unless you can provide specific example of fights where the techniques you are talking about ("the spear" "slamming peoples head form the mount" etc) were attempted but unsecesful because of the flooring(the one people have been Knocked out on several times).

I don't believe that MMA fighters have tried those things, but that's MMA, which is a completely different animal to actual fighting.

[goshinman]

This thread has seriously run it's course, in other words...LOCK PLEASE!

[aznkarateboi]

this thread is actually rather interesting

[JohnnyS]

Warp Spider,

 

I have some technical questions for you:

 

1) When you're under mount, and you reach up to grab your opponent's head to slam it into the ground, what's protecting your neck from being choked. Also, what's to stop your opponent just armbarring you?

 

2) Say you manage to grab your opponent's head with your unnaturally long arms from under mount, how do you stop him countering your move by just locking his arms out straight on the ground and basing-out?

 

3) Who have you tried this on? Have you gone into a BJJ school and managed to pull this off?

[Warp Spider]

Warp Spider,

 

I have some technical questions for you:

 

1) When you're under mount, and you reach up to grab your opponent's head to slam it into the ground, what's protecting your neck from being choked. Also, what's to stop your opponent just armbarring you?

Nothing is protecting my neck from being choked, except of course the attack itself. As they say, "the best defense is a strong offense." Also I don't have much of a problem with being caught in an armbar. It happens sometimes admittedly, but generally it's not an issue for me.

2) Say you manage to grab your opponent's head with your unnaturally long arms from under mount, how do you stop him countering your move by just locking his arms out straight on the ground and basing-out?

Well we could play keyboard sparring all day, every move and every counter can be countered by something else, so there's really no point in saying "how do you avoid your move from being countered."

3) Who have you tried this on? Have you gone into a BJJ school and managed to pull this off?

 

One of the people I spar with trains in BJJ and Aikido. It works pretty good.

[TJS]

What rank does your sparring partner hold in BJJ?

[Radok]

Radok-grappling does not mean you have to roll around on the ground, If i threw you on you head that would be grappling, if Choked you out form a standing postition that would also be grappling, that stamtent is absurd.

Grappling is not good for street defence. Once your on the ground

 

Warp-

Just because MMA competitions favour grappling, doesn't make it better

 

Yous still have not provided a single valid reason why MMA favors grapplers. other than your WWF "spear" tactic.

Actually, THIS is the argument that doesn't "hold any weight." Strikers do not always get taken down. That's a totally absurd notion. By the same logic I could say "well, strikers don't have to worry about grapplers, since the grappler is the one that gets beat senseless

 

WE are talking about the floor being an advantage for grapplers, If anyone is going to get takendown it would be the "striker" since "strikers" prefer to stand up and strike. thus there is no way in any takedown the floor would give the grappler an advantage.

 

These are the rules.

 

 

 

 

 

UFC rules, as approved by the

 

Nevada State Athletic Commission - July 23, 2001

 

 

 

Weight classes:

 

Lightweight - over 145 lbs. to 155 lbs.

 

Welterweight - over 155 lbs. to 170 lbs.

 

Middleweight - over 170 lbs. to 185 lbs.

 

Light Heavyweight - over 185 lbs. to 205 lbs.

 

Heavyweight - over 205 lbs. to 265 lbs.

 

 

 

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Bout duration:

 

All non-championship bouts shall be three rounds.

 

All championship bouts shall be five rounds.

 

Rounds will be five minutes in duration, with a one minute.

 

A one-minute rest period will occur between each round.

 

 

 

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Fouls:

 

Butting with the head.

 

Eye gouging of any kind.

 

Biting.

 

Hair pulling.

 

Fish hooking.

 

Groin attacks of any kind.

 

Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.

 

Small joint manipulation.

 

Striking to the spine or the back of the head.

 

Striking downward using the point of the elbow.

 

Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.

 

Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.

 

Grabbing the clavicle.

 

Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.

 

Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.

 

Stomping a grounded opponent.

 

Kicking to the kidney with the heel.

 

Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.

 

Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.

 

Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.

 

Spitting at an opponent.

 

Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.

 

Holding the ropes or the fence.

 

Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.

 

Attacking an opponent on or during the break.

 

Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.

 

Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.

 

Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.

 

Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.

 

Interference by the corner.

 

Throwing in the towel during competition

 

 

 

These favor grapplers. No biting. I sure wouldn't want to grapple if I thought they would bite off a chunk of meat. No throat strikes. No downward elbows. No kicking the kidneys with the heel, and no headbutts. I wonder why so many strikes are not allowed? Because they have more destructive power. The next question your likely to ask is where did I get these rules? right here https://www.ufc.tv click learn ufc then click rules. And also, grappling does mean rolling around on the ground, cause if you are doing standing grappling, wheather it be a striker or a grappler, you will almost always end up on the ground, do to the offbalancing of the pushing and pulling.

 

sorry about the long post, but this thread is about to get locked, and I wanted to get my say in.

[TJS]

No biting. I sure wouldn't want to grapple if I thought they would bite off a chunk of meat

 

So only "strikers" can bite? A grappler can bite just as well if not better (because of positioning).

No throat strikes

 

Find one example of one being used effectivly in the first few UFC's where they were legal. A thorat strike is only going to be effective on the ground and from a dominate position. when you are standing up everyone knows to keep their chin tucked and it's hard enough to hit that.

No downward elbows

 

Ok this one I will admit gives a favor to the "grappler" in many cases.

No kicking the kidneys with the heel

 

This is what Royce used to do to some of his opponets, it is an attack from the gaurd that is Utalized by GRAPPLERS while working the gaurd.

and no headbutts

 

Headbutts were The Wrestlers tool, although they may be useful to a striker the were almot always used by wrestler such as Shamrock/Coleman/Severn once they got on top.

 

Know your history and take a closer look at things next time.

 

you also forgot to metion the things that are a disadvante for a grappler...but im sure that slipped your mind.