Sasori_Te Posted August 29, 2003 Author Posted August 29, 2003 No. I don't know you or what you would intend to use it for. Sorry. Ask your instructor. Vital points are not play things. You can kill or seriously injure someone striking these areas. If you do happen to discover how to utilize a vital point you better be sure of your intent before you use the technique. Is it worth going to prison for winning a petty fight? Again, ask your instructor. tell him/ her what's going on. Maybe they can give you some advice. A block is a strike is a lock is a throw.
kempocos Posted August 29, 2003 Posted August 29, 2003 Sasori_Te - well said, my thoughts exactly. "If you don't want to get hit while sparring , join the cardio class"
angel Posted August 31, 2003 Posted August 31, 2003 Dear Sempai, Oh this is nothing about winning a petty fight. I need information on dim mak striking to marvel at chinese anatomy science. These people have discovered what we westerns call Bioengergy or bioeelectricity centuries ago and named it as Qi or Chi. Going further they have dicovered uses of this energy and named vital points on the human body. Western scientists are now marveling at its genius as they are proving true. Now what i need is to discover these points on our bodies and try and see if i can make use of them. Not to kill but to end a conflict and escape. Because the environment i live in requires this. Isn't this what karate is all about? Self defense? So please respectable sempai show me a way on striking dim mak. But please no lethality. Angel Turkey, Shotokan 6th Kyu Angel YELLOW BELT Shotokan Karate Ka 5th KyuTurkeyKarate is for Self Defense not Offense
Sasori_Te Posted August 31, 2003 Author Posted August 31, 2003 Sorry Angel. You can research the material online if you want. Or, you can try the books that I mentioned earlier in my posts. But I will not give out any information to someone that has no knowledge of the points or that I do not know. You should be able to find a ton of information by doing a computer search. Good luck. A block is a strike is a lock is a throw.
kempocos Posted August 31, 2003 Posted August 31, 2003 Angel - I would suggest that you look for a dojo who teachs these concepts to self defense. As stated there is more than just knowing where they are to make use of them. Prehaps if you give your general location we could recommend a good school in your area that would help you with the information you seek. "If you don't want to get hit while sparring , join the cardio class"
angel Posted September 1, 2003 Posted September 1, 2003 I am really sorry, kempocos and sasori te but i am really interested i martial arts. Both their spiritual, phiosophal and phsical aspects. But where i practice karate unfortunately it is taught no different than kickboxing. No philosophy or anything. Actually i wouldn't kno it had a philosophy if i didnot research on the subject. I practice shotokan in Ankara , Turkey . Turkey is in Middle East. Kinda connects Europe to Asia. Angel YELLOW BELT Shotokan Karate Ka 5th KyuTurkeyKarate is for Self Defense not Offense
Sasori_Te Posted September 1, 2003 Author Posted September 1, 2003 Try the resources that I listed for you. It may be your best bet. Also you can try going to https://www.dragonsociety.com . This is Sensei Moneymaker's and Muncy's website. You can find out more about Torite Jitsu there. A block is a strike is a lock is a throw.
angel Posted September 4, 2003 Posted September 4, 2003 Thanx Angel YELLOW BELT Shotokan Karate Ka 5th KyuTurkeyKarate is for Self Defense not Offense
delta1 Posted September 6, 2003 Posted September 6, 2003 The Chinese and some Okinawans use "set-up" points before the main strike. American Kenpo uses vital points to set up the next strike or move. But this is done mostly at the basic level where you would either target a point to set up a reaction or bring an organ into an exposed, vulnerable position to be targeted, and some basic cavity strikes. There is one branch of AK called Sub Level 4 Kenpo (Dr. Chapel's group) that makes extensive use of advanced cavity striking techniques. As stated already by others, angle and method of striking are important. Also important is the time of day (different cavities effect different organs or systems, and are more active at times than others). There are a lot of other considerations, and it gets pretty complex. I'd love to study SL-4, but as I understand it studying this kind of in depth vital point striking is best done with competent hands on instruction. Not something you'd want to try out on friends and family from a book or internet description. Freedom isn't free!
kempocos Posted September 6, 2003 Posted September 6, 2003 Delta - You are correct in your respect for the damage they can do. Try going to the web site mentioned https://www.dragonsociety.com and loook under seminars for one near you. I am going to a five hour seminar next sat. with Rick Moneymaker. I can not wait to see which meridian we discuss this tome. what you refer to as sublevel 4 Is what OKINAWAN and JAPANESE karate call KYOSHO JUTSU ( VITAL PINT STRIKING ) which goes with TUITE JUTSU ( joint manipulation). Rick Moneymaker teach TORITE JUTSU which combines these in a very efffective way. "If you don't want to get hit while sparring , join the cardio class"
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