Sasori_Te Posted August 25, 2003 Posted August 25, 2003 How much of a role does the striking of vital points play in your art? I am familiar with a couple of different schools of thought on the subject. The Okinawan/Japanese systems call this Kyusho Jitsu. The Chinese call it Dim Mak. Various other systems call them accupoints. After looking at the different systems I think they only complement one another. The Chinese and some Okinawans use "set-up" points before the main strike. Other Okinawan systems just target the specific vital point. I just wanted to see what our bulletin board members have to say on the subject. A block is a strike is a lock is a throw.
Goju1 Posted August 25, 2003 Posted August 25, 2003 Another good topic, Sasori_Te! We use the vital points extensively, as a matter of fact during the BB written exam, you must name and locate them. most of the applications/bunkai target them in relation to the katas. I feel they are an important part of karate and certainly fighting
G95champ Posted August 26, 2003 Posted August 26, 2003 Very important. Its not how hard you hit lots of times but where you hit. Their are certin spots that just hurt more when hit. Just like finding the seam in a suit of armor. Hit them where it hurts. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
kempocos Posted August 26, 2003 Posted August 26, 2003 Vital point striking plays a major role in my training. I also use them in grappling/ self defense techniques. For those new to "POINTS" angle of the strike is very important as well. In regards to setup we use the concepts laid out in YIN-YANG and FIVE ELEMENT theories. "If you don't want to get hit while sparring , join the cardio class"
Sasori_Te Posted August 26, 2003 Author Posted August 26, 2003 Kempocos and I have some of the same training and share a similar viewpoint, if not the same, on this subject. I use the Yin Yang and Five element Theory in most of my vital point applications. Direction of the strike along with the set-up used all make vital point strikes more effective in my experience and training. A good knowledge of vital points will also let you see kata in a whole new light. Though the opposite can also be said. A good knowledge of kata will shed new light on vital points for you as they tend to go hand in hand. A block is a strike is a lock is a throw.
Goju1 Posted August 26, 2003 Posted August 26, 2003 Kempocos and I have some of the same training and share a similar viewpoint, if not the same, on this subject. I use the Yin Yang and Five element Theory in most of my vital point applications. Direction of the strike along with the set-up used all make vital point strikes more effective in my experience and training. A good knowledge of vital points will also let you see kata in a whole new light. Though the opposite can also be said. A good knowledge of kata will shed new light on vital points for you as they tend to go hand in hand. By direction and angle, you mean a slight upward tilt to your knife hand strike, for instance? Is there info online re the Five element theory you care to share? And I agree, the kata and vital points are intertwined in a beautiful manner. Not that the anti-kata people would agree
Sasori_Te Posted August 27, 2003 Author Posted August 27, 2003 Goju1, try going to https://www.dragonsociety.com, or there are several books that I could recommend that you check out. Try 'Essential antomy For Healing And The Martial Arts' by Marc Tedeschi or 'The Encyclopedia of Dim Mak' by Erle Montaigue and Wally Simpson. The latter doesn't really cover The Five Element Theory but it does cover in depth the angle of the strike, the expected result and the antidote for the strike. There are others but I can't cover them all here. Try looking up Five Element Theory on Google or some other search engine. If not, I'd be happy to explain it to you in an e-mail or series of e-mails. Whatever it takes. I'm all about passing on knowledge. A block is a strike is a lock is a throw.
Practise is the Key Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Vital points...hmmmm when i attack I use mostly spear hand and knife hand. When i practise figthing with my sensei I use a spear hand to his stomach and throat trust me hahahahah....my spelling no good i lern english only 6 month hahaha I am still training however, having dabbled in Shotokan and Shotokai Karate. I am please to report that Kenshukai is one of the strongest and most disciplined styles ( i did not write this)
Sasori_Te Posted August 28, 2003 Author Posted August 28, 2003 That's not really the vital points I was referring to practise. I'm referring to more advanced and exacting points than the throat, major joints, eyes or groin. These are good for basic self defense but I'm talking about something that requires a lot more training and study. A block is a strike is a lock is a throw.
angel Posted August 29, 2003 Posted August 29, 2003 Hey people and respectable sensei and sempai, will someone bother telling me a vital point so i can use it in combat. Noy kumite but in real life situations. angel Angel YELLOW BELT Shotokan Karate Ka 5th KyuTurkeyKarate is for Self Defense not Offense
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