alanseijas Posted August 25, 2003 Posted August 25, 2003 Hey Keisotsu ------- I think that when you quote Bruce Lee, as you do in your sig; You should give credit to the person who originally said it. I believe you're commiting plagiarism. I'm not trying to make waves, but you don't even have it right. Could Bruce Lee take care of himself on the street? He thought so. When asked that question in what turned out to be his final Hong Kong interview in 1973, he answered "If I tell you I'm good, you'll probably say I'm boasting. But if I tell you I'm no good, one knows I'm lying!" ---- Black Belt Magazine, November 1993 issue, page 38. Article "Was Bruce Lee A Good Fighter, Or Simply A Good Talker?" written by a Handen, Swedish-based martial artist named Thomas Nilsson. The patch or crest worn by Isshinryu karateka often raises admiration and curiosity. The patch is based on a day dream Tatsuo Shimabuku had in the fifties while he was creating his karate style. This dream was the missing piece in the puzzle called Isshinryu. The patch is often incorrectly called Mizu Gami, which means 'water goddess'. Originally the Isshinryu emblem was called 'Isshinryu No Megami', which means 'Goddess of Isshinryu'. The goddess is the Goddess of Isshinryu karate and not the goddess of water.
Sasori_Te Posted August 28, 2003 Author Posted August 28, 2003 I'm not knocking mixed martial arts. I'm knocking some of the practitioners with the attitude that they are the baddest thing walking. I practice a well rounded regimine to include grappling and jiu jitsu. I also believe in humility and respect. If I offended anyone by my initial post because of misunderstanding, I apologize. A style is only as good as the practitioner. Of course there's a good point that traditionalists have their big mouths as well. I would say that Malkosha had some excellent points. As far as self defense goes, I've seen lots of real fights and participated in several. I have never been in one that went to the ground. Every one started with either a shove or a sucker punch. I'm not proud of those fights but they did teach me some pretty good lessons. I wanted to say this so that you don't think my opinion comes from blissful ignorance. A block is a strike is a lock is a throw.
Sens55 Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Battasoui, I haven't checked lately, but Blockbuster used to have UFC videos for rent and sale.
Sens55 Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Sasori, I don't know that anyone can answer your question, which I perceive to be (correct me if I'm wrong) "Why do many MMA practicioners feel the need to brag that they're tough Sh** and say that their "art" is more real on the streets?" Assuming I've paraphrased it correctly, I can only say that it's human nature. Like others have pointed out, it's not just the domain of MMA, although it may be the loudest crowd lately. I think that a lot of people, even if they don't actually verbalize it, feel that "my MA can beat up your MA" like school kids on a playground. I honestly think it has to do with the fact that we all want to be a part of something bigger and better than ourselves. Few have the confidence to say, "I don't care". We naturally take pride in our art, but often let that pride become arrogance. And arrogance is usually due to ignorance. And arrogance and ignorance is an obnoxious combination. That is what may drive some to say these things. It makes them feel better about themselves. And, in their minds, they cannot concieve that there may be more than one effective art. They point to deficiencies in TMA while ignoring their own. Of course, it's easy to say because it's impossible to really prove someone wrong in this case, because how do you test it? I mean, if an MMA practicioner wins a barfight and a TMA pracitioner loses, is it due to the art? the opponent? the praciticioner? extraneous circumstances? Who knows. But, what I do know is regardless of the name, there will always be some that feel the only way to build themselves up is to knock others down. It's a classic sign of immaturity and ignorance.
Sasori_Te Posted August 28, 2003 Author Posted August 28, 2003 Very well put Sens55. Thank you. A block is a strike is a lock is a throw.
Treebranch Posted August 29, 2003 Posted August 29, 2003 Don't you guys know that UFC is real. It the most real of realistic fighting ever in the whole wide world. It's the bestest fighting ever. If people think MMA are invincible go into a bar in a really f'd up neighborhood and pick a fight with the meanest mofo you see, then get back to me. Don't make claims about it's effectiveness on the street, that kind of claim can't be tested or proven. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
wrestlingkaratechamp Posted August 29, 2003 Posted August 29, 2003 Full contact fighters in my mind will always beat regular MAs. Well 90% of the time. They have been hit and punched and kicked and choked and everything else. The normal MA has seldom been hit for real.
JohnnyS Posted August 29, 2003 Posted August 29, 2003 Which MMA fighters to be exact are saying they are the best fighters in the world? Why pick on MMA anyway? Muhammad Ali used to say he was the Greatest, so why not pick on him? BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
wrestlingkaratechamp Posted August 29, 2003 Posted August 29, 2003 Tito ortiz could take out 99% of regular MAs in the world
JohnnyS Posted August 29, 2003 Posted August 29, 2003 wrestlingkaratechamp17 is correct, though the number would be closer to 100%. I can't think of any M.A's not fighting in MMA who could beat him or Randy Couture. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
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