Tibby Posted October 7, 2003 Posted October 7, 2003 Simple. For the same reason grappling is more effective, but striking arts get more fame and cash: good marketing.
TJS Posted October 7, 2003 Posted October 7, 2003 Simple. For the same reason grappling is more effective, but striking arts get more fame and cash: good marketing. thats a bad analogy. Striking is more exciting to most people or your avg joe, thats why it's more popular. i doubt BJJ is any more fun to watch than TJJ....infact most people got sick of all the groundfighting in the early UFC's.
matt jiujitsufighter Posted October 7, 2003 Posted October 7, 2003 cuz theyre losers and they can practice their forms in the mirror all they want, but when it comes to fighting ,they better have their swords with them or their useless. and bjj has added wrestling takedowns, sweeps, sambo leglocks and they have also modified some judo throws, cuz they're terrible as they are they need to be modified to work without the gi. a little boxing, a little wrestling, a little muay thai, and a lot of jiujitsu( brazilian)
Kyle-san Posted October 7, 2003 Posted October 7, 2003 I'd say TJJ hasn't had the success that BJJ enjoys because they don't focus nearly as much on ground-work and participation in competitions (not that I'm saying that's all BJJ focuses on). For the majority of it's practitioners, TJJ is more of a hobby or something to fit in between work. I'm not saying that makes TJJ worse, but just different.
Tibby Posted October 7, 2003 Posted October 7, 2003 TJS and Kyle- Good points... But I have to disagree with TJS. Striking is more fun to watch, but marketing is a large part of it. BJJ is seen as a new, exciting, fun fighting style, TJJ is known as a version of Karate or Judo. Marketing plays a BIG factor in BJJ's success. Matt- Swords? WTF?
goshinman Posted October 7, 2003 Posted October 7, 2003 cuz theyre losers and they can practice their forms in the mirror all they want, but when it comes to fighting ,they better have their swords with them or their useless. and bjj has added wrestling takedowns, sweeps, sambo leglocks and they have also modified some judo throws, cuz they're terrible as they are they need to be modified to work without the gi. Everytime this guy touches his keyboard he proves how much of an idiot he truly is. Judo throws terrible without the gi? That shows right there that he is a crack pot. Sano makes more sense then you, dork. Tapped out, knocked out, or choked out...Take your pick.http://jujitsu4u.com/http://www.combatwrestling.com/http://gokor.com/
goshinman Posted October 7, 2003 Posted October 7, 2003 The thing that annoys me with comments like 'BJJ is a subset of TJJ' is that it misrepresents BJJ because BJJ is its own art. BJJ has taken from Judo, wrestling, sambo etc and created its own art with its own strategies and tactics for both fighting and grappling. Although an armbar is still an armbar, the set-ups, strategies, tactics and the reasons behind doing things in certain ways are different from TJJ. It's as if the people from TJJ are trying to ride the coat-tails of BJJ's success and add to it with their own superiority by saying "We've got everything in BJJ plus more". If this were really the case, then we'd see more (or indeed any) successful TJJ competitors at ADCC or in MMA surely? JohnnyS did you not read my post? I said that BJJ has evolved into it's own art. But you still have to acknowledge that it has roots in TJJ as well. Why won't you do that? The current beef that most TJJ people have with BJJ people is all the dissing you guy's do of our art. BJJ people started it. You guy's even try to diss Judo, WTF is that all about? Tapped out, knocked out, or choked out...Take your pick.http://jujitsu4u.com/http://www.combatwrestling.com/http://gokor.com/
JohnnyS Posted October 7, 2003 Posted October 7, 2003 Goshinman, I did read your post and I agreed with it. The reason I brought up wrestling and Sambo was to show that not all the techniques in BJJ come from TJJ or Judo (i.e. BJJ IS NOT a subset of TJJ - it has evolved into it's own art). BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
matt jiujitsufighter Posted October 8, 2003 Posted October 8, 2003 stfu you goshinman, go try fighting a judo guy without a guy, he will be like a fish out of water , and bjj has had almost no sucess because of marketing what a bad excuse, it has sucess because its good, karate got popularity in the 80's cuz of marketing and so did ninpo in the 90's, but bjj, got popularity cuz he beat the crap out of everyone it faced. take ur argument elsewhere to other traditionalists who compromise their loses with ridiculous excuses. a little boxing, a little wrestling, a little muay thai, and a lot of jiujitsu( brazilian)
Tibby Posted October 8, 2003 Posted October 8, 2003 Is this guy for real? Hey matt, you still haven't explained where the sword equates into this!
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