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"Karate developed in the US in the late 50s "

 

Karate was deveolped in OKINAWA then brought to JAPAN long before 1950.

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I don't think she was saying that Karate was developed in America, I believe she was referring to how developed once it was here.

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Miguksaram,

 

I disagree with you that what they taught was Korean Karate. I believe it was a recognizable name for other arts, Tang Soo Do, Moo Duk Kwan and Kuk Sool Wan which were all being taught, but were confusing and unmarketable. It is true that most of these arts have roots in some form of Karate, but that is oversimplifying it. They also derive a lot from Chinese Kung Fu, Japanese Ju Jutsu and older Korean arts. So, what they taught was not simply Korean Karate. But, for the uninitiated Americans, it was close enough.

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You have to look at the timeline in which we were talking about. Hapkido was only a couple of years old and never ventured out of Korea. Kuk Sul Won is one of its off shoots so it was not around yet. The main influx of Korean martial arts at that time would have been Oh Do Kwan and Chung Do Kwan people. They were all Karate. Keep in mind that Kwan means School not system. Their system was Kong Soo Do (aka Karate). Tang Soo Do was spread by the Americans but that was early 60's. Joohn Rhee is marked as the Father of TKD because he was the first to teach it as TKD however, I believe that GM Sun Duk Song was here teaching before GM Rhee. As for older Korean arts, you will be hard pressed to find any.

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"Isn't Jhoon Rhee the father of American Tae Kwon Do?"

 

Yes, he was dubbed the Father of American TKD because he was the first to market the art of TKD not Korean Karate, which was already established prior to GM Rhee's presence in America. My point was that he wasn't the first Korean to teach over here, just the first to start teaching Taekwondo as Taekwondo, not Korean Karate.

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While I respect Rhee a lot for what he has done, I do feel his Marketing of the art has lead to the McDojoisation of America :(

 

No, I believe he still mainitained a certain standard for his students. I believe it was all the other paper tigers who walked through the door that he opened, that began the McDojo'ing of TKD

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Jhoon Rhee was one of the stars of "When Taekwando Strikes". How can you argue with that?

 

So what if he is the Master of McDojos?

 

He is a living legend. At his age, he has a better body than mine.

 

Leave Grandmaster Jhoon GOO Rhee alone.

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