kempocos Posted September 25, 2003 Posted September 25, 2003 "Karate developed in the US in the late 50s " Karate was deveolped in OKINAWA then brought to JAPAN long before 1950. "If you don't want to get hit while sparring , join the cardio class"
miguksaram Posted September 25, 2003 Posted September 25, 2003 I don't think she was saying that Karate was developed in America, I believe she was referring to how developed once it was here. It takes a big man to cry, but it takes an even bigger man to point at him and laugh
Sens55 Posted September 25, 2003 Posted September 25, 2003 Miguksaram, I disagree with you that what they taught was Korean Karate. I believe it was a recognizable name for other arts, Tang Soo Do, Moo Duk Kwan and Kuk Sool Wan which were all being taught, but were confusing and unmarketable. It is true that most of these arts have roots in some form of Karate, but that is oversimplifying it. They also derive a lot from Chinese Kung Fu, Japanese Ju Jutsu and older Korean arts. So, what they taught was not simply Korean Karate. But, for the uninitiated Americans, it was close enough.
miguksaram Posted September 25, 2003 Posted September 25, 2003 You have to look at the timeline in which we were talking about. Hapkido was only a couple of years old and never ventured out of Korea. Kuk Sul Won is one of its off shoots so it was not around yet. The main influx of Korean martial arts at that time would have been Oh Do Kwan and Chung Do Kwan people. They were all Karate. Keep in mind that Kwan means School not system. Their system was Kong Soo Do (aka Karate). Tang Soo Do was spread by the Americans but that was early 60's. Joohn Rhee is marked as the Father of TKD because he was the first to teach it as TKD however, I believe that GM Sun Duk Song was here teaching before GM Rhee. As for older Korean arts, you will be hard pressed to find any. It takes a big man to cry, but it takes an even bigger man to point at him and laugh
Akima Posted September 25, 2003 Posted September 25, 2003 I agree that Rhee wasn't the firs tto teach here, but really the firs to Market TKD in here
shazaam Posted September 26, 2003 Posted September 26, 2003 Isn't Jhoon Rhee the father of American Tae Kwon Do? Peace, Love, Harmony
miguksaram Posted September 26, 2003 Posted September 26, 2003 "Isn't Jhoon Rhee the father of American Tae Kwon Do?" Yes, he was dubbed the Father of American TKD because he was the first to market the art of TKD not Korean Karate, which was already established prior to GM Rhee's presence in America. My point was that he wasn't the first Korean to teach over here, just the first to start teaching Taekwondo as Taekwondo, not Korean Karate. It takes a big man to cry, but it takes an even bigger man to point at him and laugh
Akima Posted September 27, 2003 Posted September 27, 2003 While I respect Rhee a lot for what he has done, I do feel his Marketing of the art has lead to the McDojoisation of America
miguksaram Posted September 27, 2003 Posted September 27, 2003 While I respect Rhee a lot for what he has done, I do feel his Marketing of the art has lead to the McDojoisation of America No, I believe he still mainitained a certain standard for his students. I believe it was all the other paper tigers who walked through the door that he opened, that began the McDojo'ing of TKD It takes a big man to cry, but it takes an even bigger man to point at him and laugh
shazaam Posted September 27, 2003 Posted September 27, 2003 Jhoon Rhee was one of the stars of "When Taekwando Strikes". How can you argue with that? So what if he is the Master of McDojos? He is a living legend. At his age, he has a better body than mine. Leave Grandmaster Jhoon GOO Rhee alone. Peace, Love, Harmony
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