monkeygirl Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 At the risk of sounding corny: What's in a name? A rose would smell as sweet by any other name... 1st dan & Asst. Instructor TKD 2000-2003No matter the tune...if you can rock it, rock it hard.
Tal Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 capoeira is often called a 'game' rather than an 'art' or 'style'. shotokan karate nidanjujitsu shodankendo shodan
major_motoko Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 (edited) capoeira is often called a 'game' rather than an 'art' or 'style'.Hey Tal, I was just gonna post that myself . Yes I believe Caopoeira "bouts" are called games or "the game", but I still wouldn't call Capoeira a sport anymore than I would say karate or JJ are sports. But it does reiterate the point that I think most people on this thread are saying - the semantics aren't really important. "System" is a good alternative to "style" Treebranch. I may use it myself But at the end of the day it doesn't bother me one way or the other what you call it.. except when people call MAs sport!! But that's probably another thread! motoko EDIT: Woo! 100th post Edited August 12, 2003 by major_motoko 2nd Kyu Brown Belt, Wado Ryu Karate-do"Daniel-san best karate still inside!" Mr Myagi
Treebranch Posted August 8, 2003 Author Posted August 8, 2003 MonkeyGirl this is not meant to be insulting, but only to make a point. What's in a name? "Chick" or "Sweety", "Babe", I'd say everything. Certain words are loaded. I think you know what I am saying. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Gino Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 Your Martial art is a very personal thing.Only you really know what it means to you, what it's called or how other people categorize it probably isn't to important. Never give in
Treebranch Posted August 8, 2003 Author Posted August 8, 2003 I'm not talking about what my MA means to me, but when referring to MA's using the word style is misleading. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Gino Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 I'm sorry Treebranch but I don't really understand you on this.I don't beleive there is a real issue here.It sounds as if maybe your concerned that the word "Style" some how reflects the wrong message to people but what I'm trying to say is don't worry about it to much, everyone sees things slightly differently any way.If the word "Style" was never used again people would still have very different out looks and probably misinterpret another word instead. Osu. Never give in
monkeygirl Posted August 9, 2003 Posted August 9, 2003 I think I see your point on that issue, Treebranch. Sure, certain words are loaded, but I don't think "style" is one of them. Regardless of what I think, though, what do YOU think "style" is loaded with, exactly? There are styles of cars, there are styles of music, there are styles of painting, architecture, clothing, writing, you name it...practically everything in our society can be divided into styles. Why should martial arts be any different? Treebranch, I'm a little confused: do you feel that the term "style" is in some way derogatory? How can a word mislead people? Styles of martial arts aren't so very different from each other. Telling someone that Shito-Ryu and Goju-Ryu are two different "styles" of karate helps them understand that they are similar, yet different, just as punk and metal are two different "styles" of rock music. I'm not trying to get you to change your ways or anything...just trying to understand what's so bad about the word "style". 1st dan & Asst. Instructor TKD 2000-2003No matter the tune...if you can rock it, rock it hard.
Treebranch Posted August 9, 2003 Author Posted August 9, 2003 I do think the word style is loaded with certain preconceived ideas of something that is temporary. As if something will go in and out of style, like the style of something when in fashion has something to do with it's effectiveness. It's kind of like saying Algebra is a style of math, which is not an appropriate way of describing Algebra. These things are systems, ways of doing something that works, not merely something that is the fad of the times. I don't know if this will make sense, but nevertheless I have made the decision not to use the word Style and now am using the word System which I feel gives MA's the level of respect it deserves. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Drunken Monkey Posted August 9, 2003 Posted August 9, 2003 well, all this seems to be because of a bad translation of what the chinese and japanese use to call the styles (or what ever you prefere). for instance the chinese just call their arts by the name of the family followed by the general term "fist". hung gar kuen literally means hung family fist. wing chun kuen means wing chun fist. there is no real use of a word like style, system, method etc. there is also the tradition of calling your martial art by the name of the clan that it comes from i.e bak mei pai post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
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