kle1n Posted August 7, 2003 Posted August 7, 2003 hmm with wing chun i recommend an aikido style. but be carefull try and find an aikido dojo that has a good balance between realistic self defence and spirituality. some aikido dojos hardly take notice of self defence but think they could beat up 30 people so be carefull good luck! Be everything. Be nothing.
BudoPunjabi Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 Hi Guys, I am a shotokan practitioner. I like shotokan as I personally get a great balance between self defence and learning a somewhat traditional art form. It helps develop zanshin and kime ( focus), and I think a dedicated student would soon see the application for him/herself for actual combat. Its also a good art from where to branch off in to others. Ashihara karate for example, which is very tough and powerfull. Shotokan is quite basic when it comes to ground techniques but does, in my experience cover basics. There is also scope for competition within karate, which some may enjoy. I've seen all the other arts mentioned used with devestating effect in reality. Wing Chun is great for close in, nucleus fighting, but i'd be apprehensive to rely on combat so close in. No wasted movements...........true............but one doesnt always have the luxury of striking directly through or having the second to set up a strike. All in all, im looking at the art from an self defence point of view, and with that in mind, any art can be effective, it all depends on the practitioner. In Budo " To know...............is not to follow"
Drunken Monkey Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 the no wasted movement thing in wing chun is a sly remark about the older flowery styles. as for getting in close, wing chun training is all about getting in close. the moment you make contact, you aim to trap and make you way clear for attack. if the road is blocked you find another way in. if there is no way in, you make your own way. in practice, this is very messy which is why we really aim to make every move count (hence our wanting to be able to change our mind during a move). post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Treebranch Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 I'm a little biased here, but I'd say Jujutsu if anyone is teaching the authentic pre-1800's system. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Drunken Monkey Posted August 10, 2003 Posted August 10, 2003 is anyone teaching what they did in pre 1800? post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
sk0t Posted August 11, 2003 Posted August 11, 2003 you if you train in a standup style like WC, I would suggest doing a ground style such as JJ or Judo... I recommend this only because you can learn 20 different standup styles and still be an incomplete standup fighter...but I would rather know 1 standup and 1 ground style, than 20 standup and 0 ground... My opinion only tho! sk0t"I shall not be judged by what style I know, but how I apply that style againsts yours..."
Treebranch Posted August 11, 2003 Posted August 11, 2003 Pre-1800's Jujutsu is the kind they used in the battlefield. Koryu Bujutsu teaches it, Budo Taijutsu teaches it, and certain Jujutus Schools teach it as well. A clue to what schools teach this stuff usually have a lot of weapons training stuff as part of the curriculum from the get go. It has a lot of strikes way more than modern Jujitsu. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Drunken Monkey Posted August 11, 2003 Posted August 11, 2003 but is more neccessarily better? post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Treebranch Posted August 11, 2003 Posted August 11, 2003 It's more complete than Modern Jujitsu and better is a matter of opinion I guess. A big complaint of Modern Jujitsu that I hear is that the small joint manipulation stuff doesn't work in a real situation. The way they teach us is, if it's there to use, use it. The lock isn't really important, it's the way the other persons structure is being effected. If the person is resisting a lock kick or strike them to loosen them up and take them down. I don't know if this makes sense or not. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
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