Warp Spider Posted August 7, 2003 Posted August 7, 2003 Actually a long or short sword was a superior weapon to a katana or wazikashi respectively. Also I think that BJJ was derived from TJJ, not from Judo. Paladin - A holy beat down in the name of God!
Kyle-san Posted August 7, 2003 Posted August 7, 2003 Actually a long or short sword was a superior weapon to a katana or wazikashi respectively. How so? Do you have anything to back this statement up, or is it just an opinion? Also I think that BJJ was derived from TJJ, not from Judo. It's much closer to Judo than to TJJ, it's even been said in a few articles that BJJ was derived from Judo. Unfortunately, I don't have any links to them.
aznkarateboi Posted August 7, 2003 Posted August 7, 2003 And a short bow is a superior weapon to an escrima stick.
JerryLove Posted August 7, 2003 Posted August 7, 2003 Actually a long or short sword was a superior weapon to a katana or wazikashi respectively. This is too vague to take with any credulity. It's much like the original question, very unspecific. What do you mean by "long or short sword"? Are we talking about a Mycenaean-style bronze-age sword? Or a Roman Gladius? Or a Viking bar-and-rod constructed weapon? An Renissance Rapier? What is a "long sword"? What steel (presumin gyou are looking at steel swords). Actually, in looking, "long-sword" appears to refer to the various medieval hand-and-a-half swords in use in the 13th and 14th century. While I can find nothing calles a "short sword" (though I can think of several short-bladed swords), the "small sword", or "court sword" is a small poking weapon similar to a rapier without the edge. Now, how does one define "better" here? As a generally resiliant blugeoning weapon, I'd rather a hand-and-a-hlaf sword than a katana (a brittle draw-cut weapon) when faving an armored knight. In an unarmored duel, I'm not quite as sure. Also I think that BJJ was derived from TJJ, not from Judo. And the Gracies agree with you. I've known many BJJ practitioners to say that it is more similar to Judo than JJ. It is not inconieveable that Helio (inventor of GJJ) made similar changes to the one's Kano made... thus making a similar art. Certainly, many of Kano's changes were to make the art practiceable without injury; and certainly GJJ's emphassis on Ranodi means that they had at least that similar goal. https://www.clearsilat.com
sansoouser Posted August 7, 2003 Posted August 7, 2003 oo brazilian ju jitsu eh? Well judo came from jujitsu so i'd say BJJ came from jujitsu The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
Treebranch Posted August 7, 2003 Author Posted August 7, 2003 How is a Long Sword better? Better for cutting, I don't think so. Better for wacking people around wearing metal armor, OK. It's how you use the Sword that really counts, unfortunately the Europeans MA's are virtually non-existent and have been reduce to Stage Combat. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
JohnnyS Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 BJJ came from Judo. Maeda was a Judo champion, although the terms Judo and Ju-jitsu were interchangeable at the time. Maeda used to compete in no-rules fights at the time and wasn't allowed to use the name Judo so he used JJ which is where the term "jiu-jitsu" probably came from. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
Tibby Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 How is a Long Sword better? Better for cutting, I don't think so. Better for wacking people around wearing metal armor, OK. It's how you use the Sword that really counts, unfortunately the Europeans MA's are virtually non-existent and have been reduce to Stage Combat. Ever heard of the SCA? What about Ampguard? Or LARP? Guess what, Europian Weapons styles are alive and well As for a Long or short sword being Better then a Karate... Wasp, What are you smoking? If it distorts reality that much, I need to really get me some! First of as, You pretty much cover 90% of all swords when you say long and short sword. If that is the case, that would mean, the Katana is one of the crappiest blades out there! For sword play, maybe a long or short sword are more fun, but for the effectiveness, Katana’s are the better weapon by far! Better made, and they greatly improve upon curve design from the Scimitars of the Middle-East. Jerrylove- Yes, there where a lot of Hand-and-a-half (good job dodging the other name) sword, as well as 2 handed and one handed broad swords. The Rapier-like weapons weapons were are talking about nothing more then an ornamental weapon, until the Renascence, I'm sure he didn't mean THESE where better then Katana's.
Cybren Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 Medieval blades were more of a blunt weapon then actually sharp. They'd try to bash opponents bones and tear muscles, not actually cut. When using plate armor, a sword was quite useless. The most you could do was "half sword", where you grabbed the sword at the blade and tried to pierce through the plate. Katanas, on the otherhand where mostly used to cut oppontants, often creating mortal wounds Katanas tended to be better made, because the japanese lacked good iron, they had to make up for it.
Stold Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 Katanas were eventually adapted with thicker blades in order to battle opponents with armor, though I'm not sure when the change took place. You can even check out some fairly historically accurate anime, such as the Rurouni kenshin OVA's. Katana's definately don't look like whimpy thin swords. Apparently katana's are "folded" when forged, though I don't know a whole lot about the actual forging method. I do know that a paste was applied during the last phase of tempering in order to harden the edge and outer sides of the blade while the spine remained flexible and would give, therefore not be brittle. Brilliant blades, but weighing in from a pound to a couple pounds each, I can see how some european swords would have a weight advantage.
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