Kirves Posted August 1, 2003 Posted August 1, 2003 People get too tangled up with names. Taijutsu just means body skills. Jujutsu just is another word used for fighting skills. So is yawara. And so on. Different people just preferred to use one word for their style. For example Aikido is derived from jujutsu (Daito-ryu Aiki-Jujutsu to be exact) but it calls it's unarmed technique category Taijutsu and so on. Nowadays, there are several bujutsu schools which call their art taijutsu instead of jujutsu, mostly because they just happen to have used that word for centuries. One of the best known taijutsu schools, Bujinkan, actually consists of 9 traditions which all use different words, they have Takagi Yoshin ryu, which is essentially the same art as Hontai Yoshin ryu Jujutsu, they also have Jutaijutsu, Koppojutsu, Koshijutsu and so on. Yet, they categorize it all under Taijutsu. It is just a name - read what Bruce Lee had to say about names... "It's just a name. Don't fuzz about it" was his reply to people asking the details of Jeet Kune Do.
Drunken Monkey Posted August 1, 2003 Posted August 1, 2003 well some people like to know the names so that they can go onto message boards and say that their style is the best/original/battlefield tested/brutal etc etc etc... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Tibby Posted August 1, 2003 Posted August 1, 2003 Maybe some of them just like History, and they want to learn about the different names and styles. Some people are just interested in Martial Arts history, names, places, events, styles, legends, all that good stuff.
Kirves Posted August 1, 2003 Posted August 1, 2003 But that's the point. Two hundred years ago they weren't so strict about the names. The things we now call mysteriously "taijutsu", "jutaijutsu", "jujutsu", "yawara-jutsu", "kogusoku", "torite", "wajutsu", "yawara-ge", "koshi no mawari" and so on, were just common names in that country for the act of fighting/combat. English doesn't have that much of different words, but you can say you "beat him up" or you "fought" with the guy, or you "kicked his butt" and so on. Jump forward 300 years and people are arguing which one is better style of self defence, one guy says "beating him up" is best, other guy says "kicking butt" is the best, other guy says "fighting" is best and so on. The old masters would laugh their rear ends off if they knew. People just don't get it that the different terms were all used just about synonymously. Someone wrote to the dojo door "The Fighting Way of The Enlightened Shinto Master" and another one wrote "Wise Monk's Art of Combat". Now fast forward 500 years and people from another country who lack the knowledge of the language are arguing what's the difference between "fighting" and "combat" because the different dojo doors used the different wordings. I bet in the school of the Enlightened Shinto Master the word combat was also used interchangeably with fighting, and in the school of the Wise Monk the word to fight was also used. If a student asked "how do I use this in a fight?" the instructor didn't say "Fool! Gimme 50 pushups! We are studying combat, not fighting here!" LOL!
Drunken Monkey Posted August 1, 2003 Posted August 1, 2003 well, they were quite strict in china but then much of that was purely political and really was about "my school is better than your school". maybe because of the arts being family based too. after all, when it's your family style, it's more than just your school you're defending. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Treebranch Posted August 1, 2003 Author Posted August 1, 2003 Wow Kirves for someone who doesn't fuss about names, you sure know a lot of them. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Drunken Monkey Posted August 1, 2003 Posted August 1, 2003 only by learning all you can can you begin to decide what is not needed post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Treebranch Posted August 1, 2003 Author Posted August 1, 2003 FTGU said: well some people like to know the names so that they can go onto message boards and say that their style is the best/original/battlefield tested/brutal etc etc etc... No one said their style is the best here. Are you feeling a little insecure? What's wrong with studying the origin of Styles of MA? You can get a better understanding of why they teach certain things a certain way. More information is better than less. I guess some people think they know it all, huh. Wing Chun Tong is the best right? "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Drunken Monkey Posted August 1, 2003 Posted August 1, 2003 when have i said that? read my posts i think my position is quite clear on that matter. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Drunken Monkey Posted August 1, 2003 Posted August 1, 2003 what i was refereing to was the comments made on a lot of the other threads here. especially with each style. the jiujitsu guys argue over bjj, jjj, gjj etc etc the karate guys argue over shotokan, shito ryu, kyokushinkai, etc etc wing chun guys argue over wing chun, ving tsun, whatever chun, traditional, modern etc etc then theres the modern vs traditional vs mixed post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
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