Jujutsu is common name for Taijutsu.

[Treebranch]

I was reading a book on Jujutsu before 1800's and it was very interesting to learn that Jujutsu is another name for Taijutsu. Original Jujutsu is the father and mother of most modern Japanese styles of Martial Arts. For example Judo, jiu jitsu, jujitsu, aikido, kendo, sumo. Does anyone know more about this please let me know. Your source material would be helpful as well, thanks.

[Drunken Monkey]

well, most martial arts come from somewhere and in many cases, it is anothr form of an older art.

 

for example, okinawan karate originates from white crane kung fu which itself originates from shaolin kung fu which in turn originates from ancient buddhist chi kung.

 

like the old chinese saying goes, all kung fu comes from shaolin, which in essence, does.

[Tibby]

Actually, Sumo is older then JuiJitsu. Now, all of the sweeps and Throws, the modern Sumo, that make have come from JuiJitsu, because many Sumo moves are named the same of many judo moves, but the Sport of Sumo is OOOOOOOLLLLLLLLDDDDD. Legend states that about 2,500 years ago, the gods Takemikazuchi and Takeminakata grappled on the shores of Izumo along the Japan Sea coast in what is now Shimane-ken, until the Takemikazuchi finally won, and from his line descended the Imperical Family. Now, I doubt they were gods, but if these 2 warring Cheifs battled it out 2,500 years ago in the first Sumo match, that would place it at about the same age as JuiJitsu, I'm guessing.

 

I know it was a parent art, but I've never head of Taijuitsu. What books is this? It sounds very interesting, I'm going to go pick up a copy.

[Treebranch]

The interesting thing about Jujutsu or Taijutsu is that no one person created this style. It was an evolution of fighting that was battle tested. The techniques that didn't work died in the battle field with the practitioner. After hundreds of years the scrolls and teachings were passed down from generation to generation improving the art as time went on. In a way it was the MMA of that time. It had everything in it, and it still does.

[Shorin Ryuu]

Sumo was never a martial art. It is purely a ritual sport in Shintoism, the native religion of Japan. I kinda already answered this in another post, but...

That is a bit of a fallacy. Yes, samurai did practice jujitsu, but it was more to do with a way for samurai to fight with little or no weapons, in case they were damaged or lost in a fight. They would most often always practice it with weapons though because they would have them on the battlefield, even if it was nothing but a short sword or dagger. The huge emphasis was on taking down the opponent or disabling them enough to stab them and this method was used because they often wore armor. It is hard to punch through armor, or so I'm told...Plus, it would have to rely on joint manipulation and weight shifting rather than pressure points for the same reason. Later, as with most all traditional Japanese fighting arts, its focus shifted more towards tournament training or self-improvement.

 

Also, karate came from Okinawa and was introduced to Japan in the early 1900s, not from jujitsu. I don't know about aikido that well, so it is possible it came from jujitsu. However, the other martial arts, like kyuujutsu (archery), kenjutsu (swordsmanship), bajutsu (horseriding) etc. all came from the samurai need to use them on the battlefield, not some simplistic spreading from jujitsu. Rather, they were all skills (jujitsu included) that were included in the rather extensive regimen that a true "clasical" samurai would undergo to become the well-rounded classical Japanese warrior.

[Kirves]

Yes, jujutsu was just one name commonly in use. Draeger lists a couple dozen names in his The Martial Arts And Ways Of Japan trilogy.

[Treebranch]

Well Jujutsu the traditional pre-1800's or Taijutsu was used armed and unarmed. There are certain schools in Koryu and Budo Taijutsu that are concidered body guard schools which concern themselves more with controlling and apprehending someone rather than killing them. Also it was not honorable for a samuai to have to draw his sword when fighting untrained or lower ranked person. Also there are strikes that were used against men in Japanese armor. These strikes are more a pushing type punch to take advantage of the balance of the enemy. I honestly don't know enough about the history of Karate to make any claims about where it came from. Also armor or no armor taking someone down to stab them is pretty efficient in any situation if that is your aim.

[sansoouser]

ya i read in a ninjutsu book that taijutsu is like jujitsu

[sansoouser]

Taijutsu: "Body Art." A system similar to jujitsu that included vital point striking arts (atemi) and a variety of hand held weapons, such as the Bankokuchoko which was a metal ring similar to brass knuckles used in the west. It was a specialty of a number of jujitsu systems, namely Nagao Ryu and Kito Ryu.

[Treebranch]

High ranking Toyko policemen learn Taijutsu, I wish our officers studied this stuff too. You wouldn't have the blunders some officers make when apprehending someone.