KwicKixJ1 Posted August 13, 2003 Posted August 13, 2003 lol, i forgot to put my point. my point was... i agree with johnny.
Shotokan_Fighter Posted August 13, 2003 Posted August 13, 2003 I think you're being naive shotokan_fighter. Different arts have different specialities e.g. BJJ for groundwork, kali for weapons etc. If you want to be a well-rounded fighter then you need to take the skills from the arts that specialise. Let's say you got in a fight with a rugby boy and he grabbed you and you both fell over. He's on top of you and punching you - so now what? If you'd bothered doing even a few months of BJJ you'd have a very good chance of coming out unhurt or even victorious. By sticking with just one art and range such as shotokan, you don't have the skills to deal with this situation. wrong, in my shotokan club we work on grappling not all the time its not a major deal to us beacuse we plan on not letting ppl take us to the ground. If that did happen id know what to do, iv trained in that exact situation, and i do know how to counter the situation. shotokan does teach grappling but not heavly, up until about your 3rd dan thats when you get more into the grappling. i love my style and i wont change, everyone at this forum knows this. "When I fight, I fight with my heart,and soul. My heart, and soul is Shotokan Karate."Shotokan_fighters creed"karate has to come natural in a fight, if you have to think about using karate in a fight, you will loose the fight"3rd kyu brown belt - shotokan karate
Kyle-san Posted August 13, 2003 Posted August 13, 2003 I agree with the thought that if something is lacking in your art, it's best to try and make up for it with something else. I know my sensei has taken a few different arts, but still just teaches Aki Jujitsu, and he actively encourages us to fill in the blanks.
btroadman Posted August 13, 2003 Posted August 13, 2003 Grappling is definitely a nice addition to anyones resume, especially in a real fight. Most of them end up on the ground anyhow. I enjoy taking two totally seperate arts, as long as you can put as much effort and time into 2 or 3 that you currently put into your 1 currently. Better 1 at 100% than 2 at 50%. BJJ - Blue BeltTaeKwonDo - Brown BeltKrav MagaKickboxing
pvwingchun Posted August 13, 2003 Posted August 13, 2003 I can see both sides of the story, mastering one art, or adding something to make you more rounded. I have been training in Wing Chun for several years and believe in mastering the system, any system, it is my "personal fighting' art, the one one I train to rely on in a confrontation. But I recently began to train Tai Chi with the distinct purpose of learning it as a health exercise so that I could teach it where I train as a way of opening up another market segment. The benefit I have gotten from it has been incredible, it has helped my Wing Chun in ways I would have never dreamed. Not that it has made my Wng Chun more complete but it has opened my eyes to a different way of looking at things. Tai Chi and Wing Chun are actually very similar in some ways and that is what has helped. While I personally cannot stand the martail arts "mut" who has done dozens of styles and is always comparing one to another or claiming that in "art a" we wouild do it this way or that won't work because in "such and such art" we would do this. I find nothing wrong with broadening your horizons a little you never know what you might learn. Wing Chun Kuen Alliancehttps://www.wing-chun.us
JohnnyS Posted August 13, 2003 Posted August 13, 2003 shotokan_fighter, Where does this grappling come from? I ask because ten years ago no-one even thought of grappling, then the UFC came along and there are articles in Black Belt magazine "Secret groundfighting techniques of shotokan". It was a joke: they were saying "horse-stance" is the same as the guard therefore we've got groundwork. Ridiculous. And if you think you can stop someone from clinching you then you're dreaming. What if you're in a pub or bar and someone grabs you or tackles you. Now you're in a clinch. Let's see you chudan-tzuki out of that. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
BASSAI-MAN Posted August 15, 2003 Posted August 15, 2003 hello everybody i first was training karate-do shito ryu for 8 years then a karate kyokushinkai sensei arrives to mexico (is the onlyone) , he comes for bussisnes but he want to give us (5 firends) (black belts) kyokushin karate class for free and practice with us , then i practice the two styles for 2 years and now i am learning goju-ryu , but first is my shito-ryu. because the others two are only complement , i want to learn some style with weapon like ninjutsu and a style with grappling like jiujutsu or judo.
Sens55 Posted August 15, 2003 Posted August 15, 2003 I believe whole-heartedly in cross-training. Look at all of the "traditional" arts and it's obvious that even thousands of years ago they were already doing that. Maybe not with the ease that we can today, but they did it. That's why you'll see Chinese influence in Okinawan Karate and both influences in traditional TKD and such. I have moved a lot over my life and pretty much taken whatever was available in my area, but usually for shorter durations of about a year. Now that I've settled down I have taken Moo Duk Kwan for the last few years. I've also done a little BJJ, but it was inconvenient and the school just wasn't for me (not the style, the school). I've recently taken up American Ji Jutsu, which is basically very similar to BJJ, but they have more "American" elements like boxing and wrestling thrown in. I sought out BJJ and AJJ to offset a glaring weakness in my MDK, and that was a ground game. My instructor was a little hurt, because as a traditionalist, he believes MDK to be the best, and in his eyes complete. But as I was able to point out, I'm a big guy. As such it is very difficult for me to do a lot of the moves in that art (which is part of the reason I chose it...needed to stretch myself - figuratively and literally). However, I have a natural advantage in going to ground. Most people have a very difficult time in moving me, but I didn't really know what to do on the ground and would have to go on instinct. With a little ground knowledge, it coudn't help make me complete. He didn't disagree. He never would have tried to stop me, just persuade me. The times we train do not conflict, so it doesn't take away from either.
Treebranch Posted August 15, 2003 Posted August 15, 2003 Keeping on the original post, I study Budo Taijutsu by itself. I used to study the other MA's on my profile, but never at the same time. I think it takes time to see what each MA has to offer before mixing them. That's my opinion. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
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