aznkarateboi Posted July 20, 2003 Posted July 20, 2003 have you ever been in a fight against someone with a baseball bat? what were the results? if not, what would you do in a fight against one?
aznkarateboi Posted July 20, 2003 Author Posted July 20, 2003 I say this because my brother is very critical of all MA even though he knows virtually nothing about them. Though I don't claim to be a great fighter, he thinks that he, a relatively weak person, can defeat any martial artist if he is only given a baseball bat. He thinks that if Oyama approached him he would "envision his midsection as a baseball"(even though he doesn't play baseball) and swing it at him and therefore kill him. so tell me about your encounters with baseball bats
sansoouser Posted July 20, 2003 Posted July 20, 2003 this one kid and i were fighting and he had a bat, and started yelling stuff at me and stuff ya know. So I see him getting ready to swing and woosh he swings it horizontal at my head, I jumped back out of the way and lunged forward onto him doing osoto gari then i kicked his rib once and kicked him the privates them i left The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
delta1 Posted July 20, 2003 Posted July 20, 2003 One guy at work told me that if someone had a bat, "all that karate wouldn't mean ****!" I simply told him that if I was ever assaulted by someone with a bat, I'd rather know what I know than what he doesn't. Freedom isn't free!
Shorin Ryuu Posted July 20, 2003 Posted July 20, 2003 Yes, he swung mostly vertical with some horizontal at me. I simply side-stepped, grabbed the bat, twisted up to get him to release it, and nailed him in the solar plexus. End of story. Martial Arts Blog:http://bujutsublogger.blogspot.com/
G95champ Posted July 20, 2003 Posted July 20, 2003 Just me and my lil bro playing arround with plastic bats but yeah they still hurt. You have to get inside and a jam the bat. Or keep your distance and block with another bat or weapon. Don't get caught in the middle zone. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
Martial_Artist Posted July 20, 2003 Posted July 20, 2003 Somone wildly swinging an object that requires that it cover a good distance before it can do any real damage is not a threat, but an annoyance. The margin for error with a bat is high. Swing too short and it doesn't take much to evade it. Swing too far and it loses its ability to inflict crippling damage. Get hit high on the choke and you probably won't notice getting hit. Besides, if they really windup to hit really hard they're telepathing very obviously. A baseball bat requires a lot of telepathy to be effective. It's a sporting tool. If they miss and hit the ground/wall/car/pole/another person/etc., a wooden bat could break. It's, IMHO, not a very effective offensive weapon. Even in skilled hands it takes a lot of unnecessary movement to put the heavy end in a position to be effective. There's a lot of relative unbalance involved. Usually, you get one good strike. You have to pull back to get the weighted end behind the strike. This is adequate time for the defendant to adjust. If you miss you have to fight against the momentum of the weighted end in order to place the bat in a new position to strike from--again, relying on having to place that bat somewhere away from the target in order to swing it at the target. As for you brother swinging at someone's mid-section, I assume he thinks Oyama would stand there still? Unless he could chamber his bat and swing and hit before Oyama noticed he would have no success in hitting Oyama. Either evade or invade. Don't get hit. MA. "I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination.Imagination is more important than knowledge.Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." Einstein
delta1 Posted July 21, 2003 Posted July 21, 2003 MA, it can be used like a short staff very effectively. Also if you choke it up a little it could be used with Arnis type strikes. There are probably a lot of ways to effectively use it. But you are probably right that most people would use it like a baseball bat. Freedom isn't free!
sansoouser Posted July 21, 2003 Posted July 21, 2003 well, I just wait for em to swing the bat then lunge in closing the distance and either punch trip or trip kick whatever, if I was mad my temper would make me go overboard on the hits, but that's the way I am, born to fight without rules, You try to kill me I try to kill you, it's simple. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
Martial_Artist Posted July 21, 2003 Posted July 21, 2003 delta1, choking up high on the bat turns it into a very small(short) weapon and nearly ineffective for its size and dimensions. Now that they've choked up high on it, there's all this bat hanging below them not allowing them to maneuver it fluidly. It is, in its best form, a large melee weapon intended for pounding an opponent (when not used in baseball games, of course). I mean at best it's 28-36 inches. Very thin at one end and thick on the other. If they hold it higher, they're also getting a weaker grip due to diameter of the bat. If they hold it lower then they're fighting against the distribution of weight. All in all, there are much better weapons for assailants to choose. Good thing is, most will choose a bat. MA. p.s. Just carry a pistol and shoot them. "I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination.Imagination is more important than knowledge.Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." Einstein
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