sansoouser Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 (edited) can a good judo guy beat a good boxing guy? There was a match between Gene Lebell a judo expert and Savage a boxer, Gene Lebell won in the 4th round by choking. He claimed that judo didn't need to maim a person to defeat them. Edited July 21, 2003 by sansoouser The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneSkin Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 this thread will probably get closed someone will say its style bashing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle-san Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 Yes. And vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBN Doug Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 this thread will probably get closed someone will say its style bashing Actually, this is why it might get closed. http://www.karateforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=91453#91453 The style bashing just inevitably comes, sooner or later, whenever you ask this kind of hypothetical question. Feel free to discuss actual encounters, with participant's names and the date of the encounter (preferably with references to articles, etc.). However, when it comes to vs. threads the answer is always going to be: Yes. And vice versa. Kuk Sool Won - 4th danEvil triumphs when good men do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansoouser Posted July 21, 2003 Author Share Posted July 21, 2003 He also claimed that is Gene that he would have choked him out in the 2nd round when he had a front choke on him but the bell rang look it up on http://www.blackbeltmag.com/archives/blackbelt/1964/mayjun64/boxing/boxingvsjudo.html The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibby Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 I’ve read this before. It is a good article, but it seems a bit biased. You expect me to believe that they guy who is a Judoka, who isn’t used to strikes, was without any further straining, about to take blows from a boxer with metal plates in his gloves, and win? And ever with the boxer alleged Judo Training? Boxers who train and are used to getting hit in the head couldn’t take that! I prefer the Article that pits Judo against Wrestling. Look it up some time, it is much more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valithor Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 http://www.karateforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=91453#91453 The style bashing just inevitably comes, sooner or later, ... The purpose of this forum is to constructively discuss the similarities and differences between different martial arts. An example would be to discuss the differences in kicking styles between two arts. This is NOT to be used as a "which is best" argument. Any post or thread resembling "Karate vs. TKD - which would win?" will be removed immediately. This includes "what is the best MA" topics. We want to promote the exchange of knowledge and ideas, not arguments among those we call friends. Knowledge is about understanding, application, analysis, synthesis and evaluation! It is not logical to promote the exchange of knowledge and ideas and discuss differences without moving beyond factual knowledge to the higher order levels of thinking. Without a specific context, most people lack the cognitive ability to continue meaninful theorhetical discussion. I believe that Patrick is promoting both intellectual and social discussion and doesn't wish for distasteful and/or illogical put-downs. "Style-bashing" can come when emotion and loyalties interfere with productive and rational discussions. There should be no need to shy away from a constructive comparison of methods. Respectfully, V Keep Smiling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBN Doug Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 You've quoted me a little out of context there. I said the bashing comes when you ask questions like "Can Judo beat Boxing", which is what this thread originally asked. This thread was re-opened, and modified from it's original state, in hopes of promoting the "constructive comparison of methods" you are referring to. Hopefully, it will stay on a constructive track. Kuk Sool Won - 4th danEvil triumphs when good men do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansoouser Posted July 21, 2003 Author Share Posted July 21, 2003 well, tibby actually Gene's mom owned the olympic audotorium where Gene was taught boxing by people such as Ali, Joe Lewis, and alot of other famous boxers. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punchdrunk Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 sansousser is most correct. Gene laBelle was one of the pioneers of mixed martial arts in America. He wasn't allowed to throw punches in that match BUT just the fact that he had been trained to slip, block and was not afraid of being hit put him way ahead of a judoka who had only trained in that art. Just knowing how a boxer typical moves to set up punches was a big advantage for Gene. A boxer with a strong background in wrestling - Laverne Clark a pro boxer who has defeated many BJJ fighters and wrestlers by knockout comes to mind - would have a similar tactical advantage over a pure Judoka. If neither fighter has a clue about the others style it really comes down to who is "on" that day and who gets in with a strong punch or throw first. The boxer isn't familiar with being taken off his feet and the Judoka isn't familiar with actually being smacked in the face. Because the boxer is used to the clinch being a place of realtive safety the likelihood is higher that he will commit the error of staying in a target throwing position earlier than he will land a stunning blow. One cannot choose to be passive without the option to be aggressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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