sansoouser Posted July 16, 2003 Posted July 16, 2003 How do you think a champ like Mike Tyson, Ali, Lennox Lewis, Evander or any UFC guy would do against a martial arts expert both in their prime. Like someone like Mas Oyama, Bruce Lee, Takamatsu, Chuck Norris or anyother martial artist. Would the sheer power and strength overwhelm a martial artist. I was wondering if you thought there huge muscles would matter either too. Thanks The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
Treebranch Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 I think I know what your asking. Let say Lennox against Takamatsu. Takamatsu was a very small guy, but viscious and had killed people with his hands. Lennox is huge and strong and can punch someone's head off. Takamatsu in his prime in a match out in the open would have just used his agility to stay away until Lennox got tired of chasing him. Then when Lennox was good and tired Takamatsu would strike retreat, strike retreat over and over until he could see Lennox begin to crumble. Then Takamatsu with sick finger nails would probably take his vision and then kill him. This guy was an animal and feared by many people who you would think wouldn't be. A pretty famous Karate Master called Takamatsu an outdated has been. Takamatsu took this as a challenge and went on national television telling the Karate Master to retract his statement within 3 days or Takamatsu would have to kill him. The Karate Master retracted his statement and sent Takamatsu a letter of apology. Mean guy. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
sansoouser Posted July 17, 2003 Author Posted July 17, 2003 what if lennox didn't chase him and made him come to him? Could he evade or grab an arm and break it? The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
JohnnyS Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 I think boxers have the size, strength, conditioning AND the SKILLS to defeat probably all martial arts "masters". If you're talking about Lennox Lewis, he's 6'6", 257lbs at his fighting weight. He’s got a power, reach and weight advantage over the people you mentioned, as well as the fact that when he’s sparring he’s sparring full-contact, and fighting, some of the best fighters in the world. I don’t know why, but there seems to be this asian myth that a small, skinny guy can beat someone bigger and stronger, even if they are equally skilled. Size matters, it’s that simple. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
fireka Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 bah! a boxer isnt used to focusing on the feet, he wouldnt know what to look for when preparing to be kicked. not to mention if it wernt for those damed gloves the block wouldnt stand a chance. "i could dance like that!.......if i felt like it...." -Master Betty
JohnnyS Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 Fireka, So you're saying that a boxer wouldn't stand a chance against a martial artist? Have you ever fought, or sparred a boxer? Those guys are fast, have great footwork and hit really hard. They also know how to fight dirty with elbows and headbutts. A boxer would give any martial artist a good run for his money, if not a beating. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
G95champ Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 The event and the rules will play a big factor in that. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
JohnnyS Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 Of course, but if you're in close enough to throw punches, then the boxer will have the advantage. Lennox Lewis would nearly have arms as long as Bruce Lee's legs, so Bruce would have to be careful even moving around and just throwing kicks, and LL being so much bigger would only need one good cross to land to KO Bruce Lee. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
sansoouser Posted July 17, 2003 Author Posted July 17, 2003 I'm talking about an all out brawl no rules. It would depend on the boxer and the ma, lets take for example mike tyson against mas oyama, now this guy use to break river stones with his hands and fight bulls... and win. So he was extremely strong and talented. So it Mike though. But like you mentioned kicks would be the down fall of a boxer, a kick to the knee could bend him over for a knee to his face or an upward throat strike. But lets take an MA not so strong like Jigoro Kano, the creator of judo. Now he said he could defeat much larger opponents with ease, he also knew alot of deadly strikes. So i dunno we will never know except for Gene Lebell he beat a boxer in a judo vs boxing match, by choking him out showing that in judo you don't have to maim a person to win. Look it up The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
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