Boxing

[Warp Spider]

To my knowledge boxing was originally developed as a martial art. Professional boxing today is not the same thing as the martial art boxing, just like point sparring isn't the same thing as whatever art you guys practice. Professional boxing is just the point sparring portion of the art boxing. Many professional boxers may not train the full art, only what is allowed in point competition, but the full art is still there.

in karate your move flow, in boxing the names of the move are left jab, right jab, lift hook, right hook, but in karate it snap punch, reverse punch, ridge hand, back fist and more plus in most martial arts you block peoples move but in boxing and kick boxing you take the punch and kicks that why i think it is not a martial art.

 

Well.. that's simply not true. There are more moves than just the ones you listed, and blocking in boxing does take place. It's just not as noticeable.

[Kirves]

So is Aikido a Martial Art? Judo? Muay Thai, in it's modern form? This is addressed mostly to Kirves, but if you have an opinion by all means express it.

 

Okay, I'll express it as asked for. But remember, I was only asked for an opinion.

 

Aikido: yes, O'Sensei Ueshiba stressed it many times in his teachings that Aikido's first principle is to be an applicaple martial art - one that works. Some people today with their Ki-Aikido styles may disagree, but as a non-aikidoka I will trust the word of Ueshiba.

 

Judo: yes again, look for Kodokan Judo kata (the Judo founded by Jigoro Kano, the founder of Judo as we know [judo was first founded by Kan'emon and that is why Kano insisted on calling his art Kodokan Judo instead of just Judo] ). If you look for the actual Kodokan Judo kata (the art instead of the sport methods) you see a lot of striking as Kano insisted on keeping it realistic enough for self-defence. Competition was one thing and self defence another, for him at least.

 

Muay Thai: I won't even address this one. It is too complicated. First of all, it began as a martial art. Then it became a sport. You see this as not having any grappling defences and son on. But, the training methods are so effective that Muay Thai is a very effective (and simple enough even for military forces!) to teach, that it easily passes by as a martial art.

 

There, now I have expressed my opinion as requested.

[Kirves]

Ya, and the army doesn't have a boxing team or wrestling team?

 

Sure some armies have. Never guestioned that. Even some highschools have. Read the questions before answering.

I can just see you trying to drop people attacking you with a reverse punch.

 

Good eye you've got. I've dropped several people with a reverse punch. After I do a shoto-uke (an elbow lock) or uchi-uke (another elbow lock) a reverse punch to their unprotected neck or throat is usually all that is needed as they are unprotected targets. Where would you punch in those situations (assuming you know the positions the enemy is after a good soto-uke or uchi-uke or gedan-barai) if not for the unprotected throat/neck areas

 

 

karate-DO vs. Karate-jitsu.

 

Do is zen and hated competition. Do has no tournaments, it has enlightenment in zen. Then there is the previous karate-jutsu and the later gendai karate (tournament stuff).

[GreenDragon]

Merriam-Webster's English dictionary defines Martial as being of or about war or warfare, and Art as a skill acquired by experience, study, or observation. However, the phrase Martial Art is not the simple combining of two separate words. In today's society Martial Art is defined in the following way:

 

Main Entry: martial art

 

Function: noun

 

Date: 1933

 

: any of several arts of combat and self-defense that are widely practiced as sport.

 

Please note that it said combat, self defense and sport. Three things easily applied to Boxing. Clearly Boxing is a Martial Art.

[cross]

If we are questioning weather boxing is a martial art then we need to question if other styles are really martial arts also. Some storys say that karate was originally taught to chinese by buddhist monks so that the chinese people would focus a clam there minds ready for zen teachings, not for them to learn to fight... In saying that there are many stories has to how some styles came about.

[Kirves]

Yes, but it is historically obvious that karate on Okinawa, toudi that is, was studied purely for self defence purposes.

[cross]

Kirves Said:

After I do a shoto-uke (an elbow lock) or uchi-uke (another elbow lock)

 

Shoto-uke = Knife Hand Block. not elbow lock.

 

and

 

uchi-uke = Inside Block. not elbow lock.

[Kirves]

Both are used as elbow locks (or breaks) in many bunkai. I was just giving examples of bunkai that used reverse punches appropriately.

[cross]

Understood.. maybe next time you could say... shuto-uke ( used has an elbow lock) just to clear up confusion for people... just a surgestion

[Kirves]

Well, okay I sorta forgot that there are also people who don't do karate, reading this too - forgot that this wasn't the karate forum where you don't have to explain everything about karate as if to an outsider.