ValeTudo Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 i dont belive in cross training, and i will become one of the best shotokan fighters. Maybe the best shotokan fighter. But not the best fighter.
aznkarateboi Posted July 17, 2003 Author Posted July 17, 2003 (edited) and about me saying its the "ultimate art" im not saying that, did i ever say shotokan is the best art, and is better than all the others.Yes you did. "1.shotokan 2.shotokan 3.shotokan 4.shotokan" Edited July 17, 2003 by aznkarateboi
Treebranch Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 Come on there is no Best fighter, there's always someone better. Just be as good as you can be and stop worrying about that best *, cause it doesn't exist. People get excited about the MA they study and they all think they found the answer to all fighting, but they haven't. Even the greatest fight lost sometimes. But as far as the best for self defense, I think MA's that train for real scenarios are better for self defense than sport arts or MA's that don't study weapons. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Shotokan_Fighter Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 so saying that you're fast is... well, not a very good judge of the art. you ppl that say shotokan is slow and dosen work on combinations... LOL we work on speed alot, we work on combos alot, speed equals power. i have alot of power how by being fast. either some of you who trained in shotokan karate didnt have agood school or you just didnt have the desire to learn the art. im not saying im the best fighter in the world, i know im not, but i will try to be. i know i could get beat by alot of ool in other styles, but i havnt faced them and they havnt faced me so know one will know. i will face may other pl from different styles when i become a 3rd dan black belt, thats when im going to go to other big worl MA tournements and show what i got. i cant wait to do that beacuse i want to test my skill of shotokan karate against ather styles, i have tested it against a TKD stylist and he was nothing to me. "When I fight, I fight with my heart,and soul. My heart, and soul is Shotokan Karate."Shotokan_fighters creed"karate has to come natural in a fight, if you have to think about using karate in a fight, you will loose the fight"3rd kyu brown belt - shotokan karate
cross Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 Aznkarateboi Said: MT is a superior street fighting style to TKD. What about the TKD taught to the korean armed forces or the traditional TKD that doesnt have all the competition rubbish. Is that inferior to MT. This ofcoarse works in both directions has im sure the Thai army does some form of MT that would be more combat ready than whats taught at your average gym.
sansoouser Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 top 10? The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
aznkarateboi Posted July 17, 2003 Author Posted July 17, 2003 What about the TKD taught to the korean armed forces or the traditional TKD that doesnt have all the competition rubbish. Is that inferior to MT. This ofcoarse works in both directions has im sure the Thai army does some form of MT that would be more combat ready than whats taught at your average gym. You should have figured out that I am talking about commercial TKD, you know, the one that 99% of schools teach. MT is superior to that style.
Warp Spider Posted July 18, 2003 Posted July 18, 2003 Like it or not, some styles ARE more effective than others, and only a fool thinks that they are learning the 'Ultimate' style. Well, if some styles really were inherently better than others then there would have to be an "Ultimate" style. I think it's unreasonable for you guys to all continue bashing Shotokan. The claim that Shotokan is slow is kind of silly. Any art is slow if it's user is slow. Conversely, any fast fighter could do any other art fast. The speed at which moves are executed is entirely dependant on the fighter. The only effective way to get better at fighting is to practice. And by that I mean, practice fighting, as realistically as possible. Regardless of what art you practice and what ranking you may have achieved, a seasoned street fighter will likely still beat you if they have the real-life experience. Muay Thai does seem like a good art, but how good is it when the other person is at a higher elevation than you? (fighting on a stairway, they are standing on a table, or something like that.) Krav Maga is good versus unskilled attackers, but barely effective against someone with practice. Etcetera. Which art is the best depends highly on the situation and the environment. Rarely does a fight break out in the middle of a grassy field like most MMA competitions simulate. Often mobility will be restricted, weapons will be plentiful and varied, and some styles will be favoured by the environment. Throws and most grapples are useless if accosted in a bathroom stall. (which does happen) Striking ability can be greatly hampered in a crowded area or one where there are lots of obstacles. It unrealistic to say that one art just plain better than another, because it depends so much on the environment. Some situations are not very grappling-friendly. A grappler would likely be beaten easily if they could not grapple effectively. Paladin - A holy beat down in the name of God!
aznkarateboi Posted July 18, 2003 Author Posted July 18, 2003 Shotokan should definently be on the list. It is a very powerful style and it works on lots of combos. I don't know why you think it doesn't. It was designed for fighting and it gets the job done.
sansoouser Posted July 18, 2003 Posted July 18, 2003 why don't we stop pounding shotokan fighter and get on with the topic... The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
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