Prodigal Son Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 Alright, now you're turning this into a vs. thread. You all can either get back on topic, or have the topic closed. Your choice. Sorry - got a bit carried away. >>>PS<<< ------------------------------------------------------------------------Self-defense is only an illusion, a dark cloak beneath which lurks a razor-sharp dagger waiting to be plunged into the first unwary victim. Sifu Wong.
aznkarateboi Posted July 17, 2003 Author Posted July 17, 2003 Cross, your argument has no merit at all. You take the lowest denominator of MT fighters (might I add that you subtely added that he has had no proper training at all) and a TKD fighter who has strength skill and speed and proper training at his side. Of course in that case the TKD fighter would win. All variables are tilted in his favor besides the art, actually even the art because the so called "Muay Thai Fighter" has been wrongly instructed and therefore can't even be considered a practitioner of MT. "I would bet my money on a MT practitioner over a TKD practitioner anyday". I hope you didn't take the "anyday" literally... it's called a hyperbole. But that wasn't my point. My point was that some styles are simply better than others for self defense and that all variables being equal (even though this probably isn't neccessary) and the MT guy being properly instructed, the MT guy would beat the crap out of him 99% of the time.
aznkarateboi Posted July 17, 2003 Author Posted July 17, 2003 (edited) Most things arnt equal on the street are they? But the again, maybe, by chance, if the wind is blowing in a southward direction and the moon is three quarters of its way through orbit... Then maybe they will be the same height, the same weight, have the same muscle to fat ratio etc.. And the MT guy will win No, most things aren't equal on the street, including style. MT is a superior street fighting style to TKD. Wait, what is that about the wind? What are you trying to say? I don't study that astronomy garbage and I don't know what southward direction wind and a crescent moon have on a fighter's ability, but trust me, they won't have to have the same weight, same strength, and same height for the MT person to win. You seem to think that strength and size are the only factors in fighting. Granted, they are very important and necessary, but skill in fighting and ability to take pain, both of which MT gives, are also factors. But trust me, I think that MT conditioning will tilt those factors in your advantage. Not that you will need it, I think that a weaker MT fighter will still beat a slightly stronger TKDist. Edited July 17, 2003 by aznkarateboi
aznkarateboi Posted July 17, 2003 Author Posted July 17, 2003 Of course in the end, it ultimately comes down to how effectively the user uses the arts. However, MT teaches a more combat effective method of fighting than TKD does. It also conditions the body more efficiently. Consider this analogy: A sword is obviously a superior weapon to a club. A decent swordsman fighting a decent clubsman, or even a talented and skilled clubsman, is likely to slaughter him easily. This is similar to the average MT fighter vs. regular or pro TKDists. However, an incredibly talented, physically fit, and skilled clubfighter has a chance to last more than 10 seconds with, and maybe even beat, a sword fighter. So the point is, in the end it ultimately comes down to the individual. But each martial art is a weapon and some simply equip you better for self defense.
aznkarateboi Posted July 17, 2003 Author Posted July 17, 2003 Anyways.... anyone else have a list for top 10 martial arts?
John G Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 The original question from aznkarateboi was "Which 10 arts do you think are the best for self defense?" Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary defines self-defense as "the act of defending oneself, one's property, or a close relative" Would you pick the same top ten for instance if you had to defend yourself on a crowded bus or train, or in a car park, or pub/bar. What if there were two or more attackers or if you were attacked going up a flight of stares or in an elevator. If your opponent/s had a hand gun or a machete would you pick the same top ten? I think if aznkarateboi was to give us some circumstances and conditions we could rethink our lists and maybe state what elements of each art we think would be better. Just a thought. …. John G Jarrett III Dan, ITF Taekwon-Do
aznkarateboi Posted July 17, 2003 Author Posted July 17, 2003 Basically, which martial art prepares you for most street situations. THink generally. If a guy just attacks you like in an alley or in a parking lot or something.
Prodigal Son Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 Well, if we're not allowed to continue dissing each other, I guess I should list my ten faves... 1. Wing Chun, which as everyone knows is the ONLY effective martial art and the rest in no particular order... 2. san soo 3. muay thai 4. judo 5. boxing 6. krav maga 7. bjj 8. ross 9. shorinji kempo (only coz I did it & got some results) 10. 9mm pistol >>>PS<<< ------------------------------------------------------------------------Self-defense is only an illusion, a dark cloak beneath which lurks a razor-sharp dagger waiting to be plunged into the first unwary victim. Sifu Wong.
Shotokan_Fighter Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 progital son your saying shotokan is to slow, try fighting me and then say its to slow. and about me saying its the "ultimate art" im not saying that, did i ever say shotokan is the best art, and is better than all the others. I know its not, but i dont think like that, i have that attitude that it is the best, so i can train with confidence,intesnsity, ect. i dont belive in cross training, and i will become one of the best shotokan fighters. "When I fight, I fight with my heart,and soul. My heart, and soul is Shotokan Karate."Shotokan_fighters creed"karate has to come natural in a fight, if you have to think about using karate in a fight, you will loose the fight"3rd kyu brown belt - shotokan karate
Kyle-san Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 progital son your saying shotokan is to slow, try fighting me and then say its to slow. and about me saying its the "ultimate art" im not saying that, did i ever say shotokan is the best art, and is better than all the others. I know its not, but i dont think like that, i have that attitude that it is the best, so i can train with confidence,intesnsity, ect. i dont belive in cross training, and i will become one of the best shotokan fighters. Shotokan is slow in comparison to a lot of other arts, specifically because it relies so much on one hit kills and gives no thought to combinations. Specific fighters will always be faster, or more powerful, or whatever, so saying that you're fast is... well, not a very good judge of the art.
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