Defending yourself in a car

[delta1]

Have you contacted the British secret service Im sure they could use some mroe 00 agents.

 

Did I mention that not a hair was out of place as I rappeled into your airplane? And just who do you think I work for now? Q says to say hello.

 

The name's 1, delta1, as in 001!

[delta1]

I realize that attempting to fight while driving is dangerous. In fact that's exactly what I said.

 

We agree on that point. But statements like "Keep in mind that although not explicity stated, either you or the other person is driving the car, which is probrably moving", indicate that the moving car scenario was what you were debating. Nothing to debate here, since that is agreed by everyone so far that is a no win situation.

Popular belief? Who the heck believes you can defend against a serious assault while driving?

Now that's just silly. I was using extreme sarcasm to demonstrate how absurd your suggestion to simply ignore the motion of the car.

 

I never said to ignore the motion of the car. You assumed it was in motion, I said the likely scenario for this encounter woul be a stationary car.

If you have coffee, that would be a good idea to start with. But if you are seriously attacked by someone crazy enough to attack the driver of the vehicle he's in while it is moving, do you really think you can put up a "half-decent defense", stop the car and grab the keys?

"half decent defense" being something like putting your free hand up in front of your face to minimize the amount of damage the other guy can do while you decelerate. "Contrary to popular belief," it is not difficult to remove the keys from the ignition when you are driving.

 

Here I am simply arguing this scenario on your terms, with the car in motion. My point is that you will not, while under seriouse attack, be able to safely bring the vehicle to a stop, remove the keys and exit. My guess is that you'd have trouble just finding the door handle in a stationary car, let alone accomplish all that.

It would probably be more effective to do what dogs do. Lift up your leg and pee on him. I'd go along with kicking the neck (similar to something I suggested). But pinning him with one foot and choking with the other? Or pinning and weak kicks? You are asking to get your ankle wrenched, your butt turned sunny side up and spanked!

Never had siblings apparently. Ever done a leg press? Planting your back against the door and your legs against the other guy is the approximate equivalent of being sat on by a guy who weighs between 400 and 1200 pounds, depending on your strength. They other guy simply CANNOT fight back when they have that much force holding them against the door. For further comparison, it's the approximate restraint acquired through several G's of acceleration.

 

Come on! Are you seriously trying to say that you can exert 1200 lbs pressure with your legs? Or even 400? How much can you press with your legs in the gymn under ideal conditions? Let's say you can go 1200 lbs, just for arguments sake. How long are your legs? Will they reach all the way across the car? My guess is you'll have to slide your butt forward to do it, resting your shoulders on the door. This is a far less than ideal position to press. Add to that your opponents ability to turn out of your press and you aren't holding any body any where. But to keep with your analogy of children, you are on your back with your feet in the air. This is the same position a baby is in when you change his diapers. Let me tell you how that works. He gets his feet lifted and his butt wiped. Same thing is going to happen to you (allegorically speaking).

 

 

And it would be quite difficult to flip a person over who was wearing a seatbelt. Perhaps you could TRY sparring with someone in a car to see how absolutely rediculous your idea was.

 

Too late! Already been working on it. ( ":o You mean that nut actually tried this?! :lol:" ) You bet! How else you gonna find out? And this question intrigued me. I have three Toyotas, 2 cars and a pickup. So they aren't the roomiest vehicles you'll find. You can easily, with or without a seatbelt on, get into the position I described. And you can easily turn in a seatbelt, and just as easily be turned. The seatbelt mechanism locks with sudden motion. Even in the brand new car with really touchy seatbelts I was able to turn. You can jam it and make things difficult, but you can still move and turn. But let's say you are in position cross ways on the seat and both feet up trying to put half a ton of pressure on this guy. Let's say the seatbelt mechanism is jammed and the belt is tight around your waist. Your opponent grabs an ankle and twists. You'll spin in that belt like a shaft in a bearing!

However, while in the vein of ludicrous plans...

 

The most ludicrous plan I've heard here so far is to put a hand up by your face and drive around looking for a parking space while some lunatic pounds you. The second would be to sit with your back against the seat in a stationary car and try to defend yourself with only one hand waving out to your side in a position with no power at all behind it.

 

The reason some of us come to these forums is to exchange ideas and improve our understanding of our arts. Get some other perspectives on things and try new ideas out. Bart asked a good question here, and it deserves some considered and respectful response. 'Nuff said?

Edited July 16, 2003 by delta1

[delta1]

Apologies: I should have mentioned that the car is stationary. Stupid me.

 

delta1 wrote:

Motives

 

Kidnaping

 

Rape

 

Car-jacking

 

Theft of items in vehicle

 

Demented

 

Scenarios

 

Stoped at light, passenger door unlocked, someone gets in

 

Sandwiched between two cars, accomplice gets in your vehicle

 

In parking lot, assailant pushes you over and gets in your vehicle

 

You are in a car with a whacked out crack head (he's with you, don't ask me why )

 

That's the kind of thing I was thinking of. Sorry for the confusion.

 

Regards,

 

Bart the Lover

 

Bart, no apologies necessary. Those scenarios and motives I listed are from events I know happened first hand, or from first hand accounts, so it isn't a * topic. I've beeen in the back of EV's with more than one demented person, including druggies, severe head injuries, and just plain crazy people. I can tell you it ain't a lot of fun. But a car seat would be an even worse scenario. Good topic.

[Shotokan_Fighter]

if your driving stop the car, and then what id be using is my elbow, id be using elbow strikes beacuse you are to close to kick and knee. you may beable to jab him in the face and then elbow him in the face to, what ever it takes to get him from from attacking you, do it.