Kyle-san Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Generally speaking, if an arm or other limb is broken that'll be the end of the fight. This isn't the movies where you have a dramatic fight to the finish despite severe injuries (like a broken arm). There are very few people that will keep going after a broken arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotokan_Fighter Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 good article "When I fight, I fight with my heart,and soul. My heart, and soul is Shotokan Karate."Shotokan_fighters creed"karate has to come natural in a fight, if you have to think about using karate in a fight, you will loose the fight"3rd kyu brown belt - shotokan karate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansoouser Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 warp you obviously haven't been choked by someone good, my sensei chokes people out in about 7 seconds. I can do it in 20 or under. And as far as broken arms, if you break your arm true you have one left, so you punch me in the face, I grab the broken arm and hang on to it and start twisting it as hard as I can in any direction. Now this might cause a compound fracture or worse, so you tell me the effectiveness of arm bars when you get into a fight because to me it sounds like you've never fought The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansoouser Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 in reply TJS it does matter who you are, look up farmer burns he had a 20 inch neck at 175 lbs and performed a 6 foot hangmans drop and was held in the air whistling yankee doodle for 3 minutes about 6 times a day. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyS Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 sansooser, Don't confuse muscular strength with the ability to not be strangled. The bigger the neck, the easier they are to strangle - no matter how tough or high or drunk they are. Oh, and it should usually take 9 seconds at most to put someone out. It depends on the choke and if the person is drunk or fighting. If they are drunk and fighting, and their body is in oxygen-debt, then it will usually only take around 2-3 seconds with a rear-naked choke in my experience. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansoouser Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 johnny do some research... HE DID A 6 FOOT HANG MANS DROP FOR 3 MINUTES!!!! WHISTLING!! That means they put a noose around him and dropped him from 6 feet off the ground and let him hang there for 3 minutes for several times a day for a show... go here and reaad about it http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competition/Burns/burnsindex.htm heres a direct quote from that web site, " He had a very strong neck that measured 20 inches and allowed him to perform one of his favorite stunts of doing a six foot hangmans drop which he performed many times. " The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyS Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 sansooser, I still don't see how he could avoid a strangle. Some people are born with their jugular and cateroid hidden deeper in the muscles so maybe he was lucky enough to be born like that, but I don't see how you could train to avoid a strangle. What Farmer Burns was doing was probably a trick. I'm sure he had a lot of muscular strength in his neck to do this, but it still would have been a trick. Again, the bigger the neck, the easier they are to choke. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansoouser Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 ok, i see there is no reasoning with you so there is no need to further my my side of it because you have already made up your mind. If facts and pictures aren't enough then good luck in life The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyS Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 I couldn't see a picture on that website. If the rope is under his jaw and going around to the back of his head then it's a trick involving great strength. It doesn't mean he can't be strangled. Please explain to me how someone could train their neck to not be strangled. How do you stop the veins and arteries from being compressed ? BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warp Spider Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 sansooser, I still don't see how he could avoid a strangle. Some people are born with their jugular and cateroid hidden deeper in the muscles so maybe he was lucky enough to be born like that, but I don't see how you could train to avoid a strangle. What Farmer Burns was doing was probably a trick. I'm sure he had a lot of muscular strength in his neck to do this, but it still would have been a trick. Again, the bigger the neck, the easier they are to choke. Don't confuse strangulation with choking. They are completely different. Choking is constricting the oxygen supply. Choking people doesn't work very well. If you tense the muscles in your neck it creates a strong barrier which prevents choking. I've never been choked out, even part way, despite numerous attempts. Strangulation is the physical destruction of the windpipe through an extremely forceful constriction. A person who is strangled will not be able to breathe even after you release them. For obvious reasons, this technique is generally not practiced, due to the rarity of expendable opponents. There is no effective defense against strangulation, except that it is difficult to get in a position to strangle someone unless you are far stronger or they have already been subdued. As mentioned - maybe some people are more susceptible to choking than others, but my experience there is limited. I don't have any trouble when being "choked." I've attempted choking 4 people, only two of which succumbed. On another note, a broken arm is bad, but not the end of the world. It's foolish to get cocky and think you can just break anyone's arm whenever you like. Grappling moves almost invariably require an opening, one which your opponent may not provide. Paladin - A holy beat down in the name of God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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