BJJ and Multiple Opponents

[KungFuLou]

I have witnessed masters whos chi is so strong they are like trees and "root" themselves to the ground.

 

How can someone take down a person like this? There is more to the martial arts than the physical.

[TJS]

I have witnessed masters whos chi is so strong they are like trees and "root" themselves to the ground.

 

How can someone take down a person like this? There is more to the martial arts than the physical.

 

I would bet every penny to my name that if you set Mark kerr or Mark coleman or about a dozen other wrestlers in front of them they would get double leged in a hearbeat.

 

You cant Chi Glue yourself to the floor...sorry.

[shazaam]

what is chi glue?

 

was that sarcasm?

[TJS]

what is chi glue?

 

was that sarcasm?

 

lol....yes

[Beer-monster]

BJJ on the ground. I suppose its like with many other martial arts, the techniques are there but there not trained. similar to how Karate and other TMAs can be used on the street if people would wake up and stop thinking reverse punch kiai.

 

In the same vein, BJJ practicioners tend to be rather pre-occupied with a host of ground chokes submissions and armbars, and they are the best at such techniques (bows respectfully to BJJ people ). However such techniques are not suitable for multiple attacker scenarios.

 

But BJJ does have techniques that are for instance the knee on chest immobisiation and several other techniques that remain from TJJ (at least my BJJ friends do ). However these techniques are not trained enough in many BJJ schools. Those of you who do train such techniques should take a bow and feel proud.

 

In my jiu-jistu style multiple attackers are usually treated with movements and pre-emptive. First we continuous move and circle (hopefully looking for an opportunity to leg it), and then at the momenets when the opponents paths cross and one is in front of the other we attack. A favourtite method is a hard strike to a weak spot. The groin kick may not be all-powerful buts its damn useful, the thing to remember is that it is a start, you cant just leave it at that.

 

This is usually followed by a very simple take down. If I used a groin kick and downwards elbow to the 3rd vertebrae area. If I used a hand techniques (I like knuckle strikes to the eyes throat or temple, palms heels to the nose, crosses and hooks to the chin and jaw, and occasionaly a strong knifehand to the carotid but thats probably the karateka in me I also prefer open hand strikes to the head.) I would usually follow with a a head twist take down as it ius very simple and can be painfully applied if you get a good grip on there hair, eyes, cheek or ear (but careful ears are easily torn off ). Also with such a throw you can give a few more punches as you take them down. Other good throws are simple sweeeps and props (Osoto gari/gaki and Kosoto gari/gaki, a harsh gaki to the outer knee can break the joint if you wanted.)

 

I was always taught to keep a light contact and bring them down at your feet (usually by dropping my stance). That way I know by touch and instict where I've put them, and so dont need to look at them when I whack them with a few choice punches or axe stomp there head or neck).

 

If I wanted to be brutal and didn't care a bout the law, there are some snappy and simple joint locks that can be used quickly to break or dislocate joints and put the out of the game. Our style uses these techniques at higher levels to deal with mutltiple weapon attacks. I once saw some nidans train for this with real knives. It scared the living SH*T out of me. Mainly varients of kate gaeshi, kohono gaeshi and nikkyo wrist locks.

 

Once thats done run or take out his mate.

 

Another thing that is sometimes used (kind of fun but a bit risky) is if you want the time to run away (ionly if you KNOW you can escape successfully) you can forgoe the stomping finish and apply some push and twist to you head take down, to make it a projection. With some skill you can then fling you first opponent into the second. But personally I just think stomping on there heads easier.

[shazaam]

TJS, you are hilarious. Chi glue indeed.

[kenpo4life]

You guys make me laugh. Grappling is the last thing that a person wants in a multiple attacker situation. At least that is what Rigan Machado told me once. Royce told me the same thing. They said it is better to move and throw people on their head than it is to get the perfect sub move

[Beer-monster]

Is that any less BJJ. The question is is BJJ good in multiple attacker situations not just mere grappling.

[monkeygirl]

I would tend to think that while you're busy trying to put one guy in a triangle choke, one of his buddies is stomping on your head.

 

The good thing about standup fighting is that you can bounce from attacker to attacker with relative ease. With groundfighting, you're pretty much stuck with fighting one attacker...unless you manage to stay on top of the attacker, in which case you could hop off. I still think that would be pretty slow, though.

[Akima]

MonkeyGirl,

 

How many fights have you ever seen just be stand up fights? espcially with multiple attackers? you will get grabed and you will grapple. TKD and any other high kick empashising art would be usless. after the first Kick, your on the ground weather you hit first guy or not. then what your going to do?