JerryLove Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 Frank is, by all accounts, an excelent martial artist... I keep copies of many of his posts for reference. He's one of a couple people I miss interacting with since leaving usenet. https://www.clearsilat.com
Treebranch Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 Well it's kind of hard to explain in writing but here it goes. All this depends on the situation and countless other factors in a real situation, so I'll give one example. 2 guys in front of you, hopefully you have some distance between you and them. Draw one of the attackers in, be creative. Angling your body will leave him a nice target to go for and more than likely he will take it. Say you draw in the guy on your left, so his friend is to the right of him. So guy number 1 goes and tries to punch you on the left side of your face that you left open for him, now if you angle away to your right striking his arm with your left simultaneously hammer blowing his nose and flowing right into a groin kick and taking him straight down onto his stomach by pushing his head straight to the ground. You can kick his support leg too if this will help get him down faster. Basically there are countless of things to learn about BALANCE POINTS, THROW SIDES, taking advantages of things that present themselves. So stomp his head, he is out right in front of the other guy. If attacker number 2 want to get you he will have to go straight over his friend or around him. Now you can take him down in a similar fashion if he still wants to fight you after you just destroyed his friend. I hope this makes some sense cause it's hard to explain unless you train for this stuff. Understand this stuff is never full proof just like anything else so unlike the guy who wrote the article I've only had to fight more than one person once in my life. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
ZR440 Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 Ahhhh, what happens when the other attacker clubs you over the head with a tire iron because the guy under your knee is a little tougher than you thought? It's happy hour somewhere in the world.
ValeTudo Posted July 10, 2003 Author Posted July 10, 2003 Ahhhh, what happens when the other attacker clubs you over the head with a tire iron because the guy under your knee is a little tougher than you thought? I assume the same thing that happens when you're standing and the other attacker clubs you over the head with a tire iron. You probably get knocked out and left at the mercy of the two guys....You really have no point.
Treebranch Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 That's why alignment is crucial. Unless the guy is so mean he doesn't mind knocking his friend out to get to you. That's one mean mofo. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
ValeTudo Posted July 10, 2003 Author Posted July 10, 2003 Well it's kind of hard to explain in writing but here it goes. All this depends on the situation and countless other factors in a real situation, so I'll give one example. 2 guys in front of you, hopefully you have some distance between you and them. Draw one of the attackers in, be creative. Angling your body will leave him a nice target to go for and more than likely he will take it. Say you draw in the guy on your left, so his friend is to the right of him. So guy number 1 goes and tries to punch you on the left side of your face that you left open for him, now if you angle away to your right striking his arm with your left simultaneously hammer blowing his nose and flowing right into a groin kick and taking him straight down onto his stomach by pushing his head straight to the ground. You can kick his support leg too if this will help get him down faster. Basically there are countless of things to learn about BALANCE POINTS, THROW SIDES, taking advantages of things that present themselves. So stomp his head, he is out right in front of the other guy. If attacker number 2 want to get you he will have to go straight over his friend or around him. Now you can take him down in a similar fashion if he still wants to fight you after you just destroyed his friend. I hope this makes some sense cause it's hard to explain unless you train for this stuff. Understand this stuff is never full proof just like anything else so unlike the guy who wrote the article I've only had to fight more than one person once in my life. Maybe something is getting lost in the wording here... I don't see how baiting someone on your left side, means the other person wouldn't be in perfect position to attack/tackle you from the right side. Maybe you could go more in depth there? 'Cause it isn't making sense to me so far. Also, how would you take a person to the ground by just pushing on their head? What kind of take down are you talking about?
Treebranch Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 After you hammerblow his nose, kicking to his groin bending him over, you can hip toss him, you can grab the back on his neck and drop you weight while pushing his head to the ground and sweep or kick his support leg so he falls on his face stomach down stomp his head. If he shoots in sprawl and guide his head to the ground and give it a nice slam on the pavement. Stand and stomp, but make sure you control the fight by drawing him in. Also there are so many variables here so if you want to learn this stuff study an art that teaches it. Maybe something is getting lost in the wording here... I don't see how baiting someone on your left side, means the other person wouldn't be in perfect position to attack/tackle you from the right side. Maybe you could go more in depth there? 'Cause it isn't making sense to me so far.Get in a stance lower than his and give him a juicy target, he'll be stupid not to take it. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
ValeTudo Posted July 10, 2003 Author Posted July 10, 2003 Get in a stance lower than his and give him a juicy target, he'll be stupid not to take it. No. I understand how you bait the one guy in. I'm not seeing how this prevents the other guy from attacking you once you've initiated here. You said alignment -- My question is, how are you aligning them in a straight row? It seems like they'd be idiots to try to attack one after the other in a straight row.
Treebranch Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 I said I'd give one example. You're talking about 2 attackers attacking at the same time? Go to one or the others left or right make them change their postion, try to get one in front of the other. I can't know what these guys will do, these are tactics to help you. You have to create the situation to fight one at a time or kick one in the groin, hammerblow the other on the nose, shift back and backfist the temple shift back again, stomp the knee (breaking it) shift back hip toss, crash bam boom. What can I say too many variables and I was only giving one example. All I'm saying is if this interests you, study an MA that deals with this stuff. There's alot to it. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
ZR440 Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 Ahhhh, what happens when the other attacker clubs you over the head with a tire iron because the guy under your knee is a little tougher than you thought? I assume the same thing that happens when you're standing and the other attacker clubs you over the head with a tire iron. You probably get knocked out and left at the mercy of the two guys....You really have no point. My point is exactly as you read it. I would never try to pin someone down to beat them silly knowing that the second attacker is moving in. I'd rather run like the wind. It's happy hour somewhere in the world.
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