TJS Posted July 9, 2003 Author Posted July 9, 2003 if you wanna judge a style from one man on one video and call that style bad you are sooo right. BS I like to call it, where did i say i was judging those stlyes?Sorry TJS, I do not think that video prove that wrestling is any better than wing chun where did I say that video proved Wrestling was better than WC? go ahead and quote me..have fun. how bout this...find me a video of a WC fighter beating know wrestler. you wont. because most standup fighters will loose to a wrestler by GNP. Thats why you see Guys like Dan severn, Mark coleman , Mark kerr etc come thru and smatch thru talented fighters with ease. WC does not train you to realisticaly defend serious takedowns for the most part..most still talk about how they would KO them before they go to them the fact is is a good wrestelr wants you on the ground you will proabably end up there..combine that with the general lack of Ground fighting and you are in trouble.
WC-Strayder Posted July 9, 2003 Posted July 9, 2003 Sorry TJS, your right. WC is best for self defence, not for sport. And wc works better when you don't know that you have a wc man in front of you, if you know what I mean, and you are right when you say it don't work that well in a ring, so this discusion is really leading us nowhere.... I also know that this have been said before, but a lot of the teckniques we learn is no good in a ring, it is not just something we say, it is true. Personally I hope I'll never have to use what I have learn on anybody, coz thats gonna hurt the person very mush, maybe take his life, so you might say that this dirty figting has nothing in a ring to do. You might not believe this, but I think it is a lot harder for a wrestler to take anyone to the ground now than for a couple of years ago, coz now a days I think every style is avere of the treat from wrestlers and train more to stop them, at least we do. But then again, we never gonna find that out, coz I do not train for competition, but for self-defence. And your right, one place I do not want to end up on the steets is the ground , but you have to work really hard to get me there..... If the first lesson was a failure, then you know that skydiving isn't for you!
ValeTudo Posted July 9, 2003 Posted July 9, 2003 WC Strayder, What does Wing Chun teach that can't be used in the ring? And please don't say eye gouging and biting (which were the only illegal moves in this particular UFC). If that's what you're relying on, you're probably in for a rude awakening. What techniques do y'all learn that are too deadly/dangerous for the ring? Interested...
TJS Posted July 9, 2003 Author Posted July 9, 2003 You might not believe this, but I think it is a lot harder for a wrestler to take anyone to the ground now than for a couple of years ago, coz now a days I think every style is avere of the treat from wrestlers and train more to stop them, at least we do. So you train to Sprawl in WC?
Tombstone Posted July 9, 2003 Posted July 9, 2003 Short fight. I didn't see the guy on the left actually do anything. He stood there, got taken down and punched (alot), then tapped. Back to training From the very little bit I know, I don't think Wing Chun does much ground work. With that being said, I think the fight would have been more interesting if he stayed on his feet longer. Or actually fought back
TJS Posted July 9, 2003 Author Posted July 9, 2003 he didint attempt to sprawl..I highly doubt WC teaches you to sprawl whitch is the most basic defense to a double leg takedown...but maybe im wrong.
Kirves Posted July 9, 2003 Posted July 9, 2003 WC mainly does trapping with intention to punch to the throat and neck (with fists, open hands and elbows) + seeks possibility to break the opponents knee. Add to this some extra tactics not used so often and you've got the basics of WC. The Wing Tsun guys talk about "universal solution" because that is what WC goes after, they enter to touch, never release the touch ("sticky hands") and do their trapping techniques to find openings for attacking the weak points, mainly throat, neck, eyes, groin and knees, striking with fists, elbows and knees with maximum force to break the targets. And they do it while trapping, as much in rapid fire succession as possible.
ValeTudo Posted July 9, 2003 Posted July 9, 2003 (edited) I still have not heard a good response as to why WT/WC would be effective in the street, but not in the ring. At the time of this particular fight, the only rules were no biting, and no eye gouging. The WT practitioner could have used anything else. He didn't because he got slammed on his back and freaked out. EVEN IF eye gouging and biting were allowed, I fail to see how they could have been used in this fight. Can someone please explain WC Strayder's assertion that WC would be good in the street, (with no rules) but not in the ring? Edited July 9, 2003 by ValeTudo
Kirves Posted July 9, 2003 Posted July 9, 2003 I never saw the UFC where throat punching was legal.At that time, every move you mentioned was legal and could have been used by the WT practitioner. Perhaps the WC guy was not as good fighter as his opponent?please explain WC Strayder's assertion that WC would be good in the street, (with no rules) but not in the ring WC training usually includes stuff like multiple opponents, weapons disarms, tactics (positioning relative to environment), law issues (what to say/yell before, at startup, during and after the fight to avoid getting prosecuted) and such things most sport arts don't cover at all.
ValeTudo Posted July 9, 2003 Posted July 9, 2003 Throat punching was never illegal in the old UFCs. Once again, there were only two rules - no biting, and no eye gouging. Throat punches didn't become illegal until Zuffa took over and made it a more mainstream sport.
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