Traditional Karate vs Taekwondo

[TJS]

UFC is lame. Next time you get in a fight tell me if it's in a square arena with no obstacles and a padded mat. Professional wrestling is more realistic - at least they sometimes pick up chairs and bats.

 

I would bet every penny to my name that you would not last 45 seconds with any of todays fighters in the "lame" cage.

 

the padded mat would be for your advantage when you get slamed on your head.

[Shotokan_Fighter]

i agree with TJS, dont missunderestimate the fighters of UFC, UFC is real.

[aznkarateboi]

as real as you can get

[Warp Spider]

I never said they were bad in the ring, or even bad fighters in person - just that a real fight would be different and would likely play out very differently than the same fight in a UFC arena.

 

I imagine that the majority of fighters in the UFC would be pretty good in a real fight as well - but that doesn't mean that UFC is an accurate simulation of fighting - it's a tournament, and it's meant to be fair. Real fights aren't fair. One person invariably is in a better tactical position, be that proximity to potential weapons, height advantage, natural hazards, etcetera.

 

In UFC there is no leaping up on a table to deliver a low kick to the face - no having a bottle smashed over your head - no pool cues in the back from someone's buddy - no accounting for surprise - no bricks to throw - nothing. Believe it or not, most fights don't start on a timer with both persons staring at each other waiting to start. If a person actually wants to cause you harm there's a good chance they won't "tap out" when you have them in a position to break their arm or are causing them serious pain. After all, they may be trying to kill you - why should they believe that you'll stop because they cry uncle? Instead they'll probrably find something nearby on the ground to hit you with using the other arm. Maybe they'll throw dirt in your face or even bite you. (Although it's considered fighting dirty and not allowed in UFC, biting is in effect an additional striking limb, and most holds do not offer any protection against being bitten.) And guess what - falling on a mat isn't that bad. Falling headfirst or facefirst into pavement or any kind of solid floor generally has quite an effect on the hapless victim.

 

I agree that you probrably would find very few volunteers to participate in "real," no holds barred fighting. You would also have difficulty finding someone to insure it, seeing as at least one party would be almost guaranteed to be seriously injured, potentially crippled, in every fight. That sort of tournament is not likely to happen.. but until it does, I think it's hardly fair to say that one art is more effective than another under circumstances that don't even approach those of any real altercation. That's like saying my car is faster than a porche because it would fall faster when driven off a cliff. Yes, it would move faster... but that doesn't make it a simulation of an actual race. Similarly, one fighter may submit in UFC, but that doesn't make it a simulation of an actual fight.

[SaiFightsMS]

This has gotten way off topic.