sansoouser Posted June 30, 2003 Posted June 30, 2003 Does anyone care about honor in martial arts like the old grand masters? Does it matter if you have any? The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
shotochem Posted June 30, 2003 Posted June 30, 2003 In todays day and age, is there truly honor among thieves???? IMO in this modern age, honor is an outdated concept and it went the way of the samaurai. There may be respect and loyalty but is there really honor? Who really knows if the old masters were really honorable? Its a matter of historical interpretation. History is written and rewritten all the time by the victors. I give my teachers respect and and friendship. Should we forget that we are paying customers? It would be an honor for me to pay you master.....? The only obligation we have is to pay our dues and train hard in the concepts and principles of our respective arts. Honor, subserviance........ I don't think so ( Let the flames begin..... ) Pain is only temporary, the memory of that pain lasts a lifetime.
GreenDragon Posted June 30, 2003 Posted June 30, 2003 Does anyone care about honor in martial arts like the old grand masters?Yes. Many MA schools in my area advertise teaching respect and honor as a major part of why it is good to go to their school. My former Tang Soo Do school in particular was extremely formal, with the head instructor correcting people if they did not address him or other students properly. In the more traditional schools it is quite important.Does it matter if you have any?Yes. Although it is not taught in a formal way at my current MA school, everyone there respects everyone else. Honor is one of many traits sorely lacking in today's society, like patience. That does not mean that it should be discarded simply because so many others do so. Moreso than ever it should be strived for practiced so that those willing may learn by our examples. G r e e n D r a g o nFOR THE ABSOLUTE HIGHEST QUALITY SUPPLEMENTS...AT THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST PRICE: https://www.trueprotein.comFor an even lower price, use this discount code: CRA857Courage, above all things, is the first quality of a warrior. - Carl von Clausewitz
SBN Doug Posted June 30, 2003 Posted June 30, 2003 ( Let the flames begin..... ) Uhh, no don't. We can have an intelligent discussion without getting personal.Honor, subserviance........ You talk as if these two are interlinked. There are different kinds of honor. The honor you're referring to, as in to honor someone else, and the honor with which you conduct yourself. The Marines have it built into their code, why can't the rest of us do the same? I do have honor, and I attempt display it in my life. Both in the way I learn and teach the martial arts, and the way I treat other people. I personally don't think by honoring someone that you must become subserviant to them. Kuk Sool Won - 4th danEvil triumphs when good men do nothing.
sansoouser Posted June 30, 2003 Author Posted June 30, 2003 Honor is a thing of the past except to the true martial artist. They were not just for fighting but a complete way of life. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
telsun Posted June 30, 2003 Posted June 30, 2003 HONOR. Big word, with many interpretations. My honor is not like the old masters!!!! I have never challenged anyone to a fight to the death, or chopped of their head for stepping over my sword. Two examples I recall reading, probably the two extremist Anyway I do consider myself to be honorable but I would not use that terminology. I would rather use respectful. Honorable seems such a strong word, it's a bit like saying "I dislike someone" and "I hate someone". Hate is the extreme but means pretty much the same. I consider it to be extremely important to show respect to everyone and everything. I keep asking God what I'm for and he tells me........."gee I'm not sure!"
Synaesthesia Posted June 30, 2003 Posted June 30, 2003 There is no god who's going to punish uncaught thieves, expose unseen liars or give compensation to those who played fair. Thus, it should be up to society to elevate those who won't bend to personal whims at the expense of others. The notion that being honorable lowers you is insulting to the selfless price payed by those who live honourably.
G95champ Posted June 30, 2003 Posted June 30, 2003 Its about honor.... (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
Treebranch Posted June 30, 2003 Posted June 30, 2003 (edited) High respect, esteem. Recognition, distinction. That's a definition of it that word in the Dictionary. Yeah I think I honor and have respect for the past Soke that helped develop Budo Taijutsu. I wouldn't study it if I didn't have respect for it. I honor my family as well. I think it does matter if you honor or respect your teachers. I think you learn more if you do. If you don't respect or honor your teacher, why would you take him seriously? Edited June 30, 2003 by Treebranch "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
shotochem Posted June 30, 2003 Posted June 30, 2003 Honor: Principled uprightness of character; personal integrity. A code of integrity, dignity, and pride, chiefly among men, that was maintained in some societies, as in feudal Europe, by force of arms IMO, the context above is still relevant. However I never considered it as honor per se but as a personal code of ethics and standards. Its like I said .....the definition is a matter of interpretation . Different people take words to mean different things and not everything translates well into print. shotochem wrote: ( Let the flames begin..... ) Uhh, no don't. We can have an intelligent discussion without getting personal. Yes, we can all get along and thanks for the civil discussion KSN Pain is only temporary, the memory of that pain lasts a lifetime.
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