Judo a martial art?

[superfighter]

who here still considers Judo to be a martial art rather than just a sport?

[battousai16]

[Kirves]

If you study the old Kodokan style (no longer taught in Kodokan style, but some people outside it still teach it) where the kata contain striking methods, then I'd personally consider it a martial art. If you study the modern Kodokan style (without any punching) I'd personally consider it a martial sport.

[G95champ]

Although arts like Judo, TKD, have a sport label on them I don't think we can say they are no longer a MA.

 

Their are 3 classes of MA IMO

 

Combat Arts - arts that teach you to fight and spend very little time in tradition, kata, weapons, etc. Arts such as Boxing, MT, KM, Savate, Sambo, and BJJ to a lesser degree.

 

Sport Arts - arts that have been taken into the olympics or other main stream fourm and people compete under certin rules. Such as TKD, Judo, Greco Roman Wrestiling, Sumo, Capporia, Fencing, and to some degree BJJ and Boxing however I think those 2 do fit combat arts better.

 

Martial Arts - these are arts that many now call the traditional arts. They have a focus on a bit of everything from fighting to kata, from weapons to a moral code. These are called arts because the person doing them could take it into the Combat or Sport area with a little outside help. These arts are Karate, Kung Fu, Hapikido, TSD, Akkido, and JJ.

 

That is just my breakdown. That don't make it right or wrong but I think you can say it makes pretty good sense. LOL.

[Kirves]

In my mind (that is: a personal view): something "martial" means something meant for war. I don't personally consider an Olympic game or a tournament of any kind to be categorized as "war". If all techniques are practiced under sport rules, then the whole art (in my view point) is meant for sport. If there are techniques taught that are meant for war and not applicaple in sport, then it is a martial (=a war) art. Judo, in my mind, does not fit that requirement. All of it's techniques are taught with the sport rules at mind. None are taught with war rules at mind.

[superfighter]

lol

 

now come on, Judo is HIGHLY effective on the street moreso than allot of striking arts. I've seen a karate guy against a judo guy at my school at the judo guy kicked his ass. One throw followd by a choke was all it took.

 

You seem to forget that Judo wasn't invented as a sport and most of what happens in judo will work on the street, its techniques are practicle and dangerous.

[Kirves]

superfigher: nobody was asking about it's effectiveness. Just if it is a martial art or a martial sport.

 

Yes, it is very effective even without striking techniques, but is that how you prepare for war? By intentionally limiting that the opposition can strike but you cannot because of sport rules? No that is not how you prepare for war. So, it is not a martial art, just a martial sport. But an effective one at that.

You seem to forget that Judo wasn't invented as a sport

 

Read my first post on this thread again.

[Icetuete]

who here still considers Judo to be a martial art rather than just a sport?

 

what do u mean by JUST a sport? is there anything wrong about it? i think it can be both, depending on the way it is taught, just like TKD. while ITD TKD is a martial art to me, WTF TKD is more of a sport. i dont think a martial art has to be invented for war, but for any kind of combat. being able to defend urself without a rifle in ur hands might come in handy in a war though. since judo can be considered rather effective and implies certain aspects of good behaviors (teaches mental values so to speak), i regard it as a martial art. but maybe i know too few about it to REALLY know.

[kilo]

I think Judo is Martial Art.

[SandanPJ]

More of a sport.