vampio2001 Posted June 24, 2003 Posted June 24, 2003 I have no "Training" In any formal art but i consider myself a decent fighter. Is it possible with self taught training to take on someone in a street fight with better trainging? Ideas? Some people say that im a horrible person, so i tell them i have the heart of a boy....... in a jar .... on my desk
Seanbomber Posted June 24, 2003 Posted June 24, 2003 Heres the deal, you cant really train yourself you see you must be in a martial art for a while to actualy see what you are doing and wrong and fix it. Oh yeah if people say your a horrible person, the martial arts our a great way to improve charistics and mind! Thus probaley having a better personality! Death Defying Training is ment to take you to the limit and the verge of death, and then next time to go over that limit. Keep training and i hope we get to spar sumtime!
capn_midnight Posted June 24, 2003 Posted June 24, 2003 you will never be able to beat someone with better training. that is the point of training. however, someone may recieve superior instruction, but not recieve superior training, generally due to the denseness of the students skull (ie. training does not pentrate it to get to the brain). Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling a pig. After a few hours, you realize they both like it.
vampio2001 Posted June 24, 2003 Author Posted June 24, 2003 So what would you recommend?? Which training do you feel covers a good portion of the playing feild as well as being a great challenge to the body? Some people say that im a horrible person, so i tell them i have the heart of a boy....... in a jar .... on my desk
capn_midnight Posted June 24, 2003 Posted June 24, 2003 personally, I've taken a "Walls of defense" approach to my training. I've started out with Tae Kwon Do, because the kicks keep my oppenent at maximum distance and utilize the most powerful part of my body, the legs. This creates my first "Wall of Defense". Next, I began training my hands. Luckily, my TKD school doesn't do pure TKD, but mixes in aspects of different arts, with more focus on hand technique than most TKD schools care to bother with. So, while I was training in kicks I was also training in punches. Now, I have the a second inner wall of defense. From here, my focus will be on close in grappling, throwing, and ground fighting. I would like to study Aikido or Judo, but there are no schools in my area. The throwing and redirection of Judo and Aikido will create the 3rd wall of defense, and the grappling and ground fighting of whatever I do after that (probably Combat Sambo, since I know some guys that teach that and schools that study anything other than TKD are hard to come by in my area) will create the final foundation. So, what do 3 walls and foundation make? well, erh, a triangular room. But, they also make a well rounded fighter. To clarify my previous post, what I meant was, though some people may be training in more established techniques with instructors, they may not be as adept at it (superior instruction, inferior training), because they fail to understand the teachings. I do agree though, you need to have some kind of training instructor. Not even boxers go at it alone. Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling a pig. After a few hours, you realize they both like it.
granmasterchen Posted June 24, 2003 Posted June 24, 2003 good post capn_midnight, sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders, i love instrutors that don't teach just one thing, good for you, continue your training and good luck That which does not destroy me will only make me stronger
Fenris-wolf Posted June 25, 2003 Posted June 25, 2003 I have no "Training" In any formal art but i consider myself a decent fighter. Is it possible with self taught training to take on someone in a street fight with better trainging? Ideas? This is a fairly difficult question. The term "training" in and of itself can be misleading. Now, if they have better training, they are probably going to win. This doesn't mean; "if they've got a black belt" or "if they've won a full [muay thai/boxing etc] fight", but actually if they've trained harder than you it is unlikely you can win without copious amounts of luck. A step in the right direction is to be an intelligent fighter. Because if your skill level is very similar to theirs, the fighter who thinks is likely to win. Maybe they are much more skilled than you, but if you watch to see their weaknesses you can play on those. For example if you notice that they are a good kicker, make sure you keep in too close for them to kick you. If they're a good grappler, keep out of grappling range and try for quick, effective combos. The advantage in a street fight situation is that there are no "points", so all you really need to do is get in a few good hard shots then run. I know it doesn't sound like fun, but if you want to fight for entertainment, start up cage fighting. But if you're looking for an art... I practice Muay Thai, which is Thai kickboxing. This is a very effective stand-up style, but it unfortunately has no ground fighting. You can progress pretty quickly, it's all down to the amount of effort you're willing to put in. Pankration sounds good if you can find a club, apparently quite similar to Muay Thai (insofar as a Greek MA can be similar to a Thai MA!), but they do have ground fighting. Other than that, there are some good boards in the "Comparitive Styles" forum if you really want to find out what's best in you situation. Hope that helped, if you could be bothered reading it! Let Us Turn The Jump Rope In Accord With Socialist Principles!
capn_midnight Posted June 25, 2003 Posted June 25, 2003 The most likely origin of the Martial Arts seems to be the Greek Pankration. It migrated to the east when Alexander the Great went on his most amazing conquest. From there, the art evolved and spread. Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling a pig. After a few hours, you realize they both like it.
martialartist1 Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 "I have no "Training" In any formal art but i consider myself a decent fighter. Is it possible with self taught training to take on someone in a street fight with better trainging? Ideas?" i think the opponent enemy is the trainer with no formal martial art learnt and vice versa. it is possible with self taught training to take on someone is a street fight, but chances are anything could happen. yet the self taught stands a better chance, the chance beat the enemy opponent. its the fact that self taught self defence comes naturally to anyone, but ofcourse the person who knows martial arts, and knows that they know martial arts would beat the enemy opponent easily. as said many times the enemy opponents in street fights are the weakest.
G95champ Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 Yeap Like they say in Football thats why you play the game. Sometimes the weaker team wins because of suprise, the other team did not get ready, luck, bad timming, weather, etc.... Same is true for the streets. Usually they guy with the better jaw will win. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
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