Whats wrong with Japanese styles?

[AndrewGreen]

Don't comment about what you don't know. Any, non-trash japanese karate school will spar.

 

Point sparring doesn't count for that goal though.

 

Most do, but many wait years before you can and don't do it often. When it is done it is point sparring, which outside of a karate environment is not that usefull.

 

Kyokushin is an exception because of the WAY they spar.

 

Also note the MOST, Judo does, kendo does (although very restrictive), sumo does, karate does.

 

But there are many other japanese schools.

 

and karate is Okinawan

[goshinman]

Hmmm lets see here. Most MMA study bjj, which has a vast majority of it's techniques from kodokan judo, which came from traditional jujitsu. So I guess they do use them in some way .

[goshinman]

And about those wrist grab scenerios. I have actually tussled with this concept in my own training but have found that they can be applicable to other situations such as when clinched and a guy is trying to trap your hand/wrist or something of that nature. But I study a Goshin style of jujutsu so we don't do alot of the wrist grab as a fight starter to begin with.

 

I find that with some practice and some good ol' american know how you can take these little martial art self defence scenerios and make them work some how. Take the infamous one handed collar/lapple grab the most locking techniques are taught from. Now how many fights actually start like this? If I were one of these martial artists who constantly bash TMA I would say "see, I told you this won't work in the real world" or what ever other stupid remark these people use. Or I could trap his hand to my lapel area, and then try to apply lock x y or z.

[goshinman]

opps I did it again.

[Gino]

I really enjoyed this topic.I certainly agree with what Kirves said about wrist grabs in Karate,we spend to much time with them but Karate is evolving all the time and certainly were I train the teacher is very aware of real life scenarios.

 

Lets not forget alot of the fighters in K1 come from Karate, Kyokushin in particular.Ernist Hoost's coach is 6th dan Kyokushin you can't forget Andy Hug Kyokushin champion many times over, Filho and Pettas all Kyokushin.

 

I personally think rubbish Karate movies like Karate kid have got alot to answer for when it comes to the more traditional styles looseing favour with the general public and if the general publics perception of Karate is bad the effect is obvious, people just don't bother joining karate clubs.Lets face it those Karate kid movies were terrible.The standard of martial arts shown were terrible and in some cases shocking hardly a good advert I feel!

Edited July 24, 2003 by Gino

[Gino]

If I can just add quickly to that.I help teach the juniors at our club sometimes and keeping these kids interested is half the battle.Then once they get to a certain point theres no looking back.If we attract and keep the young talent we will have many future champions in and out of the ring that have come from traditional martial arts competing in all sorts of fields.

 

So I don't think theres anything wrong with traditional martial arts its just the way there percieved at the moment and thats down to bad press,bad movies and the like, come on whats cool about Daniel son.