Beer-monster Posted June 24, 2003 Author Posted June 24, 2003 That a fair comment, but I wasn't really talking about NHB competions and such. Not every guy who cross-trains wants to fight in the UFC (although traditional Jiu-jitsu does contain alot of armbars and submissions and shoot defences such as Tawara Gaeshi, both on and off the ground). But still many people ignore the arts anyway. I'm a big fan and long time reader of IKF, and often they feature many mixed stylist (usually JKD but others such as KI concepts) none of them to my recollection studies a traditional Japanese martial art. The only things that come close is Kempo Karate and Judo (which in my humble opinion becomes less of a martial art each year (sorry Judoka just my opinion)). Why not karate or TJJ? Mind, body and fist. Its all a man truly needs.
Kirves Posted June 24, 2003 Posted June 24, 2003 It is also matter of training methods. If you go to TJJ class, you will have to stay there for years before free sparring is the norm. In MMA circuits free sparring is considered essential in learning to apply the methods. TJJ uses lots of old training methods (mostly partner-kata, ...) and rarely any modern methods (mits, bags, helmets, full contact free sparring, ...) and that makes many MMA people look elsewhere.
Treebranch Posted June 24, 2003 Posted June 24, 2003 Kirves you're making a lot of valuable points on Japanese MA's being too traditional. How does that differ from Chinese MA's? I study Budo Taijutsu and we spar light, full contact, and we training equipment such as heavy bags, muy thai pads, etc.. The techniques are still traditional, but we are not training to fit techniques into a specific situation. We are training to have free response to an attack. I think their is an inherent danger in underestimating TMA's. We have studied some techniques from a wrist grab, but most of them are from punches and kicks, and tackles. We are realistic about what we are studying. We know how most people fight these days, and the techniques work. We don't play fair at all, anything that will work we will use. I have my own criticisms about MMA or modern concepts, but I won't get into that right now. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Kirves Posted June 24, 2003 Posted June 24, 2003 I study Budo Taijutsu and we spar light, full contact, and we training equipment such as heavy bags, muy thai pads, etc.. Good. I have my own criticisms about MMA or modern concepts, but I won't get into that right now. Good.
Treebranch Posted June 24, 2003 Posted June 24, 2003 Thanks Thanks "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Beer-monster Posted June 24, 2003 Author Posted June 24, 2003 Traing in martial arts differ from place to place and dojo to dojo. I wished I did more sparring, but I find places and people where I can. My jiu-jitsu club uses V's and Circles to learn how to takes on series of attackers and how to dehabilitate after the first attack. Tradition can be a good thing. I like kata, and I love the whole "Sensei ni rei", bit because it makes me feel like I'm part of something, part of a style. Thats somethings that can't be ignored. Mind, body and fist. Its all a man truly needs.
Treebranch Posted June 24, 2003 Posted June 24, 2003 Nothing is wrong with STYLE maybe something is wrong in the training methods. If you are training to fight, you have to fight. If you are learning an Art you have to practice. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Beer-monster Posted June 25, 2003 Author Posted June 25, 2003 Is there no way to do both? Besides some people like the art yet still ignore the Japanese arts. Mind, body and fist. Its all a man truly needs.
Treebranch Posted June 25, 2003 Posted June 25, 2003 It's all up to the individual. People talk big and take credit for other people accomplishments that really has nothing to do with the art they study. Hard work will pay off. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
mikS Posted June 26, 2003 Posted June 26, 2003 Japanese styles are sometimes used... well Judo is anyway, kyokushin occasionally comes out ok. But basically the japanese styles are more about tradition then anything else. Most lack in sparring so their techniques never get tested and drift away from reality. Don't comment about what you don't know. Any, non-trash japanese karate school will spar.
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