StoneSkin Posted July 8, 2003 Posted July 8, 2003 I don't know that it should take that long but it will. Their is a differance in knowing and using the move and profecting it. do you mean proficient or perfection ? As there is quite a distance from proficency to perfection. I would say a person who has military basic training is proficient in unarmed combat.
G95champ Posted July 8, 2003 Posted July 8, 2003 The ability to use it and get by. However just because you can use it and get by don't mean you have Mastered it by any means. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
superfighter Posted July 8, 2003 Posted July 8, 2003 After seeing how sucessfull people are in Tai Boxing, i am beginnig to have doubts on whether one should have to take years to fight effectivly
Warp Spider Posted July 8, 2003 Posted July 8, 2003 I don't really think it would take a long time to be able to defend yourself. The most critical part of combat, I think, is move selection. (how many times have you lost a sparring match and thought "jeez, if I had only done X instead of Y I he couldn't have gotten me in his Z hold." After that I think it's simply "knowing" the moves. A lot of moves I find are simply a matter of "I never though of that" kind of things. Practice I'd place third, and this is the part that takes a long time. Although practice is important, a sloppy move executed at the right moment is far better than a perfect move executed when it is totally inappropriate. Paladin - A holy beat down in the name of God!
G95champ Posted July 8, 2003 Posted July 8, 2003 No anyone can learn to fight in a matter of weeks and do pretty good. However that has to be the focus of your training. Karate, TKD, Kung Fu, TSD, Hapikido, Akkido, Judo will not give you that. Because their is a focus on other parts of training that take away from the actualy fighting. They sort of give you a little bit of everything reallly slow. (sparring, SD, kata, weapons, history, phillsolphy, blah blah blah) as opposed to walking into a MMA school where you just strap on the gloves and start fighting. The more you do something the quicker you will become good at it. However to say you Mastered anything IMO is a falsehood. Because you can always be faster, stronger, quicker, smarter if you work harder. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
shotochem Posted July 8, 2003 Posted July 8, 2003 )No matter how proficient and well trained a person may be, there is always the unexpected move, or downright dirty tricks and overall treachery to consider in any engagement. Can you learn every one of them? Highly unlikely. Will years of training help? IMO I would say yes. The average MA that trains 3-4 classes a week for 1-2 hrs should be in better shape with better conditioning than the average guy in the street. He or she should be able to take a lot more hits than someone who does not train and should be able to strike with power and precision where as the untrained person will not. If not you are not training effectively. Im not saying you will become a lethal weapon, you should however be able inflict a substantial amount of damage where you can escape or disable at the very least the average drunk. This goes for men and women. Im happy to say many of the women Ive trained with are quite capable of defending themselves against men. (Ive got the bruises to prove it ) Pain is only temporary, the memory of that pain lasts a lifetime.
ShirKhan Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 If someone off the street told me they wanted to know how to defend themselves, and they only had 60 minutes, I could teach them a lot of practical things in an hour. But combat mindset, predatory instinct/fighting spirit, is tougher...that's a kind of thing where you lead the horse to the water and let them take it from there. I can show them what it looks like, but they can't fake it or absorb it, there's a change they've got to get inside. And some of them plain don't want it. There's black belts out there that don't have it with trophies up the kazoo. A weird example is the art called harimau that is found in Indonesia...it has similarities to silat and kuntao, and there are a lot of variations, a lot of techniques and styles. But there is one variation of what they call "harimau" that involves no techniques at all. There people under the guidance of a priest do deep meditation and hypnosis so that with a hypnotic trigger they believe they have become tigers. No joke. And according to these people, historically their village would come under attack by pirates or angry neighbors, and this group of men would recieve the hypnotic trigger and essentially would be the first ones sent to battle, with no weapons whatsoever. To me it reminds me of the "berserkers" of the Viking tradition... But it shows you that perhaps the first best weapon is the mind. You can take a 100 pound girl, and teach her movements, make her stronger, strengthen her bones and her body weapons, give her self confidence, etc. BUT...if you can give her a mindset she can access when she's attacked, that make her predator and her attackers prey...who would be the winner if a 200 pound man found to his surprise he had tackled a 100 pound tiger? Mugger: "What the f?" Tiger: "Oh, goody...they supersized my order..." LOL! The outer changes are easy, the inner changes take some work.
JerryLove Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 I do agree that there are few problems that cannot be overcome with the massive application of violence... How much would you like to subdue a rabid 12-lb cat? https://www.clearsilat.com
Tombstone Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 You'll be able to defend yourself better than before after a small amount of any martial art. You can only get better from there. Just my opinion.
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