Shotokan_Fighter Posted June 22, 2003 Author Posted June 22, 2003 do any of you know where i can find some karate being used in fighting (ufc) dosent matter ??? "When I fight, I fight with my heart,and soul. My heart, and soul is Shotokan Karate."Shotokan_fighters creed"karate has to come natural in a fight, if you have to think about using karate in a fight, you will loose the fight"3rd kyu brown belt - shotokan karate
Kirves Posted June 22, 2003 Posted June 22, 2003 K1 is where you want to look at. Lots of succesful Kyokushin fighters there.
Sho-ju Posted June 22, 2003 Posted June 22, 2003 UFc often times seems to much of a wrestling match. I just dont get the attraction, but a good shotokan stylist should do pretty well, why are you personnaly thinking of competeing? Im not real crazy about UFC, K-1 is my sport! my goal as an artsit is to compete in k-1, if your thinking of trying to get inot UFC, go for it! What have you got to loose? except some ribs, maybe a kidney, and a quart of blood? but all that can be easily replaced through a series of surgeries! I think standard shotokan wouldn't do well. The wide base and the way we carry our hands is perfect for shooting in on. Besides that Shotokan has very little ground work. If a kyokushin karateka learns to sprawl they end up doing well. K-1 is a very good sport. Last one in Vegas had a karateka that basicly used a mawashi and dusted his first fighter. He got KOed in the next fight.
AndrewGreen Posted June 22, 2003 Posted June 22, 2003 It was Ichihara in UFC II, came from Japan and faced Royce in the opening rounds. In his intro he said he came because he wanted to fight Royce after seeing him in UFC I. Royce kicked him a few times, he throw one back and got taken down easily. Royce went from side mount to mount in seconds and Ichihara hung onto him for a while taking short punches, Royce was trying to break his grip. Royce continues to pund his ribs and head, Ichihara continues with his underhook/overhook grip behind the back. he eventually gets up, goes for a choke, switches to a arm bar and Ichihara taps before it even gets it locked. So basically Royce had him mounted and hit him for almost 5 minutes, then won be submission, It was a VERY one sided fight. Also in UFC II was Fred Ettish who was a pretty traditional Shorin ryu guy, he lasted on guts and an inability to finnish from his opponent and has become a bit of a joke in the MMA community. Unfair really as he held on longer then most people would have, but he took a really bad beating. Karate has not done well in the UFC, its techniques and strategies don't work very well in that environment. Andrew Greenhttp://innovativema.ca - All the top martial arts news!
fireka Posted June 23, 2003 Posted June 23, 2003 if shotokan is so usaless even in its own practioners opinion why is it studied so widely? please, you guys must have more faith in your style than that! i studied shotokan for a while, ill admit there was little ground work, but from what i saw, the idea was never to end up on the ground in the first place. from what you all know, would a fairly well seasoned fighter of Isshinryu style stand a shoot in the K-1? "i could dance like that!.......if i felt like it...." -Master Betty
Shotokan_Fighter Posted June 23, 2003 Author Posted June 23, 2003 i agree with you fireka ppl diss karate even when they do it taht pisses me off i have done shotokan for like 2 years and i dont care what ppl say about it shotokan karate does work!! if it didnt it wouldnt be here "When I fight, I fight with my heart,and soul. My heart, and soul is Shotokan Karate."Shotokan_fighters creed"karate has to come natural in a fight, if you have to think about using karate in a fight, you will loose the fight"3rd kyu brown belt - shotokan karate
fireka Posted June 23, 2003 Posted June 23, 2003 you know, there are some people who might disagree here, but i wish i saw that kind of spirit in more martial artist. defend your style! there ya go! "i could dance like that!.......if i felt like it...." -Master Betty
AndrewGreen Posted June 23, 2003 Posted June 23, 2003 shotokan karate does work!! if it didnt it wouldnt be here Your argument is invalid, the actual fallacy is called "appeal to tradition" But even if we take it as true you must ask, works for what? Physical fitness, cultural preservation and Preping young people to join the Japanese army as Funakoshi wanted? Physical fitness and cultural preservation as Itosu wanted? Instilling a false sense of security by telling people they can defend themselves without putting in the sort of training really neccessary to do so? Keeping a cult mentality and recruiting new members into the cult? Marketing itself as a worthwhile pursuit? Because it works is a very vague claim. Do you agree that there are a lot of McDojo's around teaching poor martial arts? How can that be? Andrew Greenhttp://innovativema.ca - All the top martial arts news!
fireka Posted June 23, 2003 Posted June 23, 2003 andrew, how can you base the usefulness of a style strictly on the fact that it has frauds. there were frugulent popes and priest who did evil things but to claim that catholic are evil would be wrong. Yes, there are Mcdojo's but i can guarantee you there are some solid Shotokan schools out there. Although i am on a quest to prove myself among the elite, i hope that shotokan someday soon finds its name among the best in the world, there are plenty of examples of were shotokan has succesfully deffended against an attacker, we are all Karate-ka's and should be supportive of one anothers style. And if shotokan_karate0 statemtn was invalid, fine, i join him in his ignorance. Shotokan works! "i could dance like that!.......if i felt like it...." -Master Betty
TJS Posted June 23, 2003 Posted June 23, 2003 i have done shotokan for like 2 years and i dont care what ppl say about it shotokan karate does work!! No one said it didint "work". but if you got locked in a Cage with a UFC level fighter do you think it would "work"?if shotokan is so usaless even in its own practioners opinion why is it studied so widely? Popularity is a horrible Judge of a Stlyes Combat effectivness.
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