granmasterchen Posted June 22, 2003 Posted June 22, 2003 I am currently an assistant instructor for kaju kenbo, the art has a wonderful story for its background; just made for streetfights, combination of karate(tang soo do), judo/jujitsu, kenpo,and chinese boxing(kung fu) You brought up a good point there kajukenbo dad That which does not destroy me will only make me stronger
mtmaniac Posted June 22, 2003 Posted June 22, 2003 I think styles that try to mix everything in them may look good on paper but really doesnt cut it when it comes to real fighting. I mean If you want to be an effective striker aswell as an slick grappler you should train at diffrent gyms instead of learning it all from one guy. Training at a real boxing gym for instance where you learn to throw punches properly, evade punches etc would give you some hardcore skills that translate very nice to streetfighting as in most fights starts with somebody throwing a punch. Also in striking arts like Muay thai, boxing and kickboxing you get lots of sparring experience which will help out in a real situation. Ive never trained kyokushinkai but Ive heard they don't allow punches to the head, if thats the case it's really not a style to train for selfdefence purposes. The head is the most important part to protect besides your genitals in a fight.
Kirves Posted June 22, 2003 Posted June 22, 2003 Kyokushin tournaments don't allow face punches. Kyokushin schools usually spar with differing rules at different times (in my school we sometimes spar with boxing gloves and allow head punches, sometimes bare-knuckled with the tournament rules). And it is a misconception that you wouldn't need to protect your head with Kyokushin rules. If you lower your hands, you get kicked in the head and that isn't fun.
Drunken Monkey Posted June 22, 2003 Posted June 22, 2003 i know what you mean, a LOT of people confuse tournaments and how you spar in a class with how effective the art is. after all, how many of us have gone at it hammer and nails with our kung fu brothers outside of the class to test what we have learnt? all those who have will know that it looks like nothing we do in the training hall. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
mtmaniac Posted June 22, 2003 Posted June 22, 2003 I realise that there are kyokushin fighters that train more streetoriented than others but generally speaking I think you get better preparation from arts like boxing and mt whom spar amd train full contact all the time.
Kirves Posted June 22, 2003 Posted June 22, 2003 Well, you won't learn how to release yourself from a persons hold/grasp/choke in boxing or mt. But you do learn such things in Kyokushin. We could argue this back and forth all night and still get nowhere. It is just a matter of priorities. Is your priority that you constantly train against head punches and thus leave out other aspects of training. Or do you train against head punches less frequently and then train against some other stuff instead? It is (again) one of those things where we don't have a clear answer. Each make up their own mind for themselves. The important thing is that we are informed about the options and the tradeoffs. It is also a matter of having fun. If you don't enjoy what you do, you won't stick to it. If someone hates MT classes, just plain doesn't enjoy getting head punched all the time, then he won't stick to it. Now if he also doesn't go to Kyokushin because someone said it is "unrealistic". Now the guy does nothing and that is no good either. So we must weigh the tradeoffs, plus measure what is it that we like to do so much that we'll stick to it, for days, weeks, months, years and even decades on without quitting. Going to Kyokushin class every week for the next 25 years is better than going to MT classes for a month and then realizing one doesn't like it and never train anything again. And vice versa.
granmasterchen Posted June 23, 2003 Posted June 23, 2003 spar spar spar with people of different styles and train hard with them, that way you can learn moves from different areas to help you get well rounded. That which does not destroy me will only make me stronger
Treebranch Posted June 24, 2003 Posted June 24, 2003 Most of them do work. My best advice is learn to fight, whatever style you enjoy. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
mtmaniac Posted June 24, 2003 Posted June 24, 2003 I didnt mean to bash kyokushin. I guess different styles make for different skills. In Muay thai you foucus 100% on ringfighting which is a lot different from streetfighting. So even Muay Thai has it's drawbacks.
Treebranch Posted June 24, 2003 Posted June 24, 2003 Wow mtmaniac you are the first person I've heard admit that. You will be great. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
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