Sens55 Posted August 16, 2003 Posted August 16, 2003 There's a difference between going to jail and being convicted for anything. At least in the US. Anymore they'll take both combatants in to sort out the details and prevent it from escalating after the cops leave. They do that a lot in domestic squabbles as well. That doesn't mean you'll stay in jail or that you'll be convicted of anything.
Gino Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 There seems to be lots of lawers on this site.Law is a very complex thing, the fact that it takes into consideration things like the charactor of the people involved and mitigating circumstances means it is very difficult to quantify or second guess the legal systems approach or outcome to a particular case.Lawyers and lawyers alone should be the ones giving out legal advice and even then, only lawyers that have all the relevent information relating to the particular case should be giving that advice.Anthing else is doing a misjustice to those involved. I am not a solicitor therefor anything I say is guess work. Very often people come up against the system and get a very real shock. Whilst I believe it is important to make damn sure you protect yourself from people trying to hurt you, I also believe it is equally important to take into consideraration the consequences of your actions in trying to do so.While it's very easy to say I'll do this or I'll do that whilst sitting in the safety of your house on your P.C its worth contimplating that your swift, quick, split second re-action could very well lose you your liberty for many years to come.Some may say that very fact in its self is reason enough to run like the wind at the very first sight of trouble. The reasons stated above are some of the reasons why this is a complex issue.To my mind this is why years spent in a traditional form of self defence will leave you better equipped to deal with those real life situations, that isn't to say the whole thing becomes easy, far from it.Infact I believe it can be quite the opposite.Those of you who have knowlege of the martial arts are capable of causeing some serious damage, thats why this issue cannot be taken lightly. Never give in
Sens55 Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 Gino, Good advice on not being lawyers. Even then, there are more than one lawyer invovled in any trial or lawsuit, meaning they each see a way to present their client's side in court and win. Obviously one won't. That's why I said what I said earlier. If I can see trouble brewing, I vacate. But if I'm pushed, I'll do what I have to do to get it over with and fast. I'll let the lawyers fight about it later. If you're actually in a confrontation and you're thinking about what is the perfect blend of "neutralizing" force, you're putting yourself at a disadvantage and could get yourself hurt. You pointed out that the wrong decision might lose your freedom. Maybe. But again, you have to be alive to be incarcerated. And I can't think of anything more tragic than someone who had the ability to adequately defend themselves after years in the dojo only to be killed because they underestimated what was actually "neutralizing" force or they were thinking about applying the "proper" amount of force and were mowed down while they were trying to be humane.
shotokanwarrior Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Just say hey buddy im sorry and crack him is the jaw and run Where Art ends, nature begins.
SoulAssassin Posted September 17, 2003 Posted September 17, 2003 What's your guys opinions on how far to take a street fight. For example if a guy standing against a wall walks infront of you and starts yelling at you and pushing you how far should you take it? Punch him, kick him? Choke him out? Run away? Walk away rather then argue; Argue rather then harm; Harm rather then maim; Maim rather then kill; Kill only as a last resort" -SoulAssassin"I aint gonna eat, I aint gonna sleep, aint gonna breath till I see what I wanna see and what I wanna see is you goto asleep, in the dirt permanently"
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