Warp Spider Posted July 16, 2003 Posted July 16, 2003 I wouldn't start a fight straight off just because someone pushed you - that makes you the attacker, and the courts have every right to make you look like the criminal. Grappling moves become appropriate if the person is aggressively shoving you, striking only if the person actually takes a swipe or uses an agressive grappling move against you. Alot of the time people shove or otherwise get "in your face" they have no intention of actually fighting you. Often they simply have a short fuse and are reacting to what they consider an aggresive action on your part. (accidentally rubbing against them, or whatever) Further, it's also worth considering that the person may be an undercover police officer who is having a bad day and gets in your face for whatever reason. If you attack him you'll be doing a nickel in the joint, and the court really doesn't care that he provoked you. If, on the other hand, it is an obvious mugging, or other attack, where the people simply rush at you and start swinging, then by all means do your worst. Stop when they either stop moving, or they start running away. Breaking a bone (on purpose)or choking someone to unconciousness is bad mojo with the police regardless of the circumstances. If you must subdue the person completely you can choke them nearly to unconciousness, and it will take a few minutes for them to recover enough to do anything significant. Leaving a person unconcious on the sidewalk/whatever is just plain irresponsible. You never know, they could be a good person that was simply confused as to your identity or your intentions. Paladin - A holy beat down in the name of God!
Northren Ogre Posted July 16, 2003 Posted July 16, 2003 Actually, as soon as that person pushed you he assaulted you, therefore you are not the attacker. Pushers are usually yelling how they're "gonna kick your *" so now they've threatend you and you are now well within your rights to pop them in the mouth. Remember...getting hit first is a sure recipe for losing. http://prkickboxing.tripod.com
Treebranch Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 I'll hit him square in the jaw while he's flapping his gums. I have to assume the guy is serious, too risky not to. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
cross Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 Just poke his eyes out ... after all "captain insano shows no mercy" hehehe
Warp Spider Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 Actually, as soon as that person pushed you he assaulted you, therefore you are not the attacker. Pushers are usually yelling how they're "gonna kick your *" so now they've threatend you and you are now well within your rights to pop them in the mouth. Remember...getting hit first is a sure recipe for losing. Self defense is more complicated than "he started it." Even if a person pushes you and threatens you, hitting them back means you are both committing assault. Self defense ends at parries and simple counters. You could not, for instance, choke a person to unconciousness, because you are required to stop as soon as the "attacker" ceases attacking, which, since you have to get them in a fairly defenseless position to choke them, they would have to have. In almost all fights, both persons are guilty of assault. If you were to, say, block a punch with a frying pan and the guy hurts his hand, that's self defense. If you then clobber the guy with the frying pan to knock him out, that's assault. Generally speaking, the courts don't care who started it. If you had any intention to cause the person harm, even if it is to protect yourself, that's what matters - that you intended to cause them harm. Paladin - A holy beat down in the name of God!
Prodigal Son Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 Remeber "Sticks and stones", but once you have been touched it's on - so do the guy as quickly and as viciously as possible and the hop it. Because there is a good chance that you wll be dealing with his friends immediately after him, or worse still, the po-lice. Put him down in such a way that he stays down, then vanish. >>>PS<<< ------------------------------------------------------------------------Self-defense is only an illusion, a dark cloak beneath which lurks a razor-sharp dagger waiting to be plunged into the first unwary victim. Sifu Wong.
Northren Ogre Posted July 17, 2003 Posted July 17, 2003 34. (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself. That's out of the Canadian Criminal Code. You are allowed by law to match force with force... if he swings at you..swing back. Of course you can't continue to pummel him once he's out cold, but you're are within your rights to continue fighting for as long as he continues to attack you. If he were to take a swpie at you and you smack him in the mouth and he decides you were'nt the easy prey he thought you were and walks away, you can't keep beating him. that would make you the new assaulter. Sections 25 -28 hold you responsible for use of force and charges can be laid if the police deem excessive force has been used. http://prkickboxing.tripod.com
CrazyAZNRocker Posted August 9, 2003 Posted August 9, 2003 It takes only 4 lbs to mess up person's knee... I did the math... and i know my target...
Drunken Monkey Posted August 9, 2003 Posted August 9, 2003 i read some where something about giving sufficient warning about your ability to hurt them if they further their aggression... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
SBN Doug Posted August 10, 2003 Posted August 10, 2003 Take it to whatever level he's at. If it's nothing more than pushing and shoving [posturing] then I'm just going to walk away. If he's really trying to fight I'll try and warn him off, but defend myself. If he's got some weapon or there are more than one of them picking the fight, I'll defend myself and probably try to break whatever I manage to get ahold of. That pretty much sums it up for me. Kuk Sool Won - 4th danEvil triumphs when good men do nothing.
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