Kirves Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 Where I live, the laws about both: guns, and unarmed self-defence, are very strict. Guns are very hard to get legally (you need a good reason, "for self defence" isn't enough) and even harder to get illegally. And if you use a gun here, even in self defence, you usually get a long sentence. So, here knowing martial arts is the best option. Just the other day, I read in a newspaper that a gas station owner was convicted because he fired a warning shot in the air with a shotgun when robbers were outside. He had to pay fine and, you're not going to believe this, had to pay to one of the robbers for causing mental distress! That is the law here, guns just aren't tolerated in any manner. The good part of it is that even the criminals have hard time getting firearms, so you don't have to be afraid everyone's packing. The bad part is that if you want a gun, you have hard time getting one.
TJS Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 The Problem with a firearm and most weapons in general is They are not always going ot be accesible in time...When/IF you are attacked it is usually by suprise...you usually dont have time to draw a weapon before you get some serious harm inflicted upon you.
Kirves Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 The Problem with a firearm and most weapons in general is They are not always going ot be accesible in time...When/IF you are attacked it is usually by suprise...you usually dont have time to draw a weapon before you get some serious harm inflicted upon you. Right on! If you are totally surprised from behind, you find yourself lying on the ground, lying under someone, feeling pain, and wondering how to get up. A gun that may be in your pocket, or may have already been taken away won't help much. And c'mon, how many of us wants to rely our lives on the fact that we'll be packin all the time? Anoter point: not all violent situations are lethal. This is a point often forgotten! A violent encounter may be a situation at the family occasion where a drunk uncle starts troubling your kid sister or whatever. Would you rather know how to handle him with some wrestling holds, or draw a gun and start waving it, possibly even pulling the trigger? Martial arts give you varying degrees of damage you can inflict.
Treebranch Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 I think it's good to know how to use a gun, and I don't mean just shooting it. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Kirves Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 Yeah, we all (in my country) get basic training in pistols, shotguns, assault rifles, snipers and machine guns when we go do our service for the country (mandatory for all males here, optional for women). I myself stayed 11 months there, so I got quite familiar with most of the basic firearms. I recommend basic firearms training for all who have the possibility to get it.
broomhilda000 Posted June 20, 2003 Author Posted June 20, 2003 Where I live, the laws about both: guns, and unarmed self-defence, are very strict. Guns are very hard to get legally (you need a good reason, "for self defence" isn't enough) and even harder to get illegally. And if you use a gun here, even in self defence, you usually get a long sentence. so kirves, in what states have the more robberies and muggers and things, the ones with guns or the ones without? The ones with guns makes the robbers scared and the ones without they know they have nothingto worry about... Be as a tranquil pool of water in the woods. Calm, collected, reflecting on its surface all that is around it. Make your own mind such a quiet mirror reflecting the mind of the opponent. Even as your partner's impulse to attack passes through his mind it should be reflected in you.The safest battle is the one that is never fought
Treebranch Posted June 20, 2003 Posted June 20, 2003 broomhilda said: so kirves, in what states have the more robberies and muggers and things, the ones with guns or the ones without? The ones with guns makes the robbers scared and the ones without they know they have nothingto worry about... Not true at all. States with guns like California have huge crime rates. I don't think these thugs care if the cops have guns or not. If these guys didn't have guns they would not commit as many crimes. These people are cowards and need guns to make them feel strong. Guns don't make crimes rates go up or down. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
broomhilda000 Posted June 20, 2003 Author Posted June 20, 2003 Not true at all. States with guns like California have huge crime rates. I don't think these thugs care if the cops have guns or not. If these guys didn't have guns they would not commit as many crimes. These people are cowards and need guns to make them feel strong. Guns don't make crimes rates go up or down. You misunderstood. Cops can have guns, but thugs can get them to practically anywhere, but the average law abiding citizen cannot, so the thug has little to fear. Be as a tranquil pool of water in the woods. Calm, collected, reflecting on its surface all that is around it. Make your own mind such a quiet mirror reflecting the mind of the opponent. Even as your partner's impulse to attack passes through his mind it should be reflected in you.The safest battle is the one that is never fought
Treebranch Posted June 20, 2003 Posted June 20, 2003 What are you talking about? Citizens can get guns just as easy as criminals. Gun shows sell almost anything, or they can tell you where to get it. Look at countries that banned guns, it is very hard to get a gun there and their crime rates are lower. Also a large percentage of the guns on the streets were stolen from the homes of citizens with large gun collections. One of the easiest ways for a criminal to get a gun is breaking into someone's home usually at noon when no one is home, and steal whatever he can. Many times there will be a gun or two in the house. Ideally I think what you're saying would be nice, but believe me it is the furthest thing from the truth. No offense, I happen to live in Los Angeles County and I was raised in a pretty bad area. The gun is the great equalizer. Cops and Thugs are equal with a gun in their hands. Law abiding citizens will probably never use their gun in self defense. I think the only way that criminals would actually think twice about attacking someone is if the citizens could carry a gun on them, but I'd be more scared of that than the way it is now. Too many guns in one place can't be good. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
broomhilda000 Posted June 20, 2003 Author Posted June 20, 2003 I see where you are coming from Tree but I still disagree, just opinions. Be as a tranquil pool of water in the woods. Calm, collected, reflecting on its surface all that is around it. Make your own mind such a quiet mirror reflecting the mind of the opponent. Even as your partner's impulse to attack passes through his mind it should be reflected in you.The safest battle is the one that is never fought
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