TJS Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Bas Rutten Just posted this on another board when ...He touches on a few diffrent things.OK, TKD is good to do, EVERY martial arts, is good to do. As long as you keep it in the back of your mind that real fighting is something completely different! All the "TULS" Or PUM SE'S" that you have to practice in TKD, won't help you ONE single bit in real fighting. Same as the KATA'S in Karate, I am talking about the hardest form here, Kyokushin! I personally think that Kyokushin will tear your body down way faster then MMA. BUT!!! If you fight a Kyokushin fighter, don't stand with him, take him fucking down! They tell me :Oh Bas, the liver shot that you gave Jason de Lucia was beautifull!" Well guys, that came from my Kyokushin beackground. What I am trying to say, and everybody knows this by now. Mix it up!!! Boxers may say: "I am the greatest fighter in the world". NO you are NOT, you are the greatest BOXER in the world, NOT fighter. "Oh, I am the greatest TKD and there for the greatest fighter in the world". No, you are not! A fighter is the guy who knows everything. "You want to stand up with me? OK" You want to go to the ground?" OK". THAT'S the real fighter. It's good to do your traditional martial arts (I still walk Kata's because I think that they are a great workout to get your mind and body going and have a great workout (if you do them 100%) controll your breathing, coordination EVERYTHING! BUT......!! They won't make you a better FIGHTER. Just keep that in mind, and you will be OK?!I have have many degrees in TKD AND Kyokushin Karate, so I know what I am talking about, respect them a lot, but know what they mean in MMA!
JohnnyS Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Who is this Bas Rutten that you speak of ? j/k BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
Karateka_latino Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 It's a nice Post... I think he made a point there. I believe that one single art doesn't make you a good fighter... but not all people in M.A. want to be fighters. Anyway, I think also that if you want to be a better overall M.A. you have to look on other Arts to be well rounded.
SaiFightsMS Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Bas Rutten is a mixed martial arts fighter who has won quiet a few of those championships.
gheinisch Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Yeah Johnny, Bas has been pretty sucessful with MMA competitions. They have a highlight film of him and other fighters at sherdog.com if you want to check him out. He has awesome open hand strikes. I like his quote, you should always keep everything you do in perspective. "If your hand goes forth withhold your temper""If your temper goes forth withold your hand"-Gichin Funakoshi
SBN Doug Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 I can definately agree with the majority of what he's saying, but I think I agree more with what I interpret him to mean. The few forms we practice aren't a good training tool until you can practice ALL parts of it. The part I think he's saying partly wrong, but the intent I agree with, is if forms will help in a fight. I agree that you can't just start going through your form in a fight, and expect to win. I also agree that even, in some cases, performing the techniques the way they're done in the form won't help you win. However, I do believe when you practice ALL the aspects of a form, controll your breathing, coordination EVERYTHING!, it will help you in a fight IMHO. Good quote in any case. Kuk Sool Won - 4th danEvil triumphs when good men do nothing.
G95champ Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 Gichin Funakoshi said the same thing Read down to number 18. The 20 Precepts of Gichin Funakoshi Karate begins with courtesy and ends with courtesy. There is no first attack in karate. Karate is an aid to justice. First control yourself before attempting to control others. Spirit first, technique second. Always be ready to release your mind. Accidents arise from negligence. Do not think that karate training is only in the dojo. It will take your entire life to learn karate, there is no limit. Put your everyday living into karate and you will find "Myo" (subtle secrets). Karate is like boiling water. If you do not heat it constantly, it will cool. Do not think that you have to win, think rather that you do not have to lose. Victory depends on your ability to distinguish vulnerable points from invulnerable ones. The battle is according to how you move guarded and unguarded (move according to your opponent). Think of your hands and feet as swords. When you leave home, think that you have numerous opponents waiting for you. It is your behaviour that invites trouble from them. Beginners must master low stance and posture, natural body positions are for the advanced. Practicing a kata is one thing, engaging in a real fight is another. Do not forget to correctly apply: strength and weakness of power, stretching and contraction of the body and slowness and speed of techniques. Always think and devise ways to live the precepts every day. "The ultimate aim of karate lies not in victory nor defeat, but in the perfection of the character of its participants"... Gichin Funakoshi (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
JohnnyS Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 Guys, I know who Bas is. That's why I had the j/k at the bottom of my post (it means "joking"). Thanks anyway. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
Shotokan_Fighter Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 champ that was a really good reply i liked it "When I fight, I fight with my heart,and soul. My heart, and soul is Shotokan Karate."Shotokan_fighters creed"karate has to come natural in a fight, if you have to think about using karate in a fight, you will loose the fight"3rd kyu brown belt - shotokan karate
G95champ Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 Thank Funakoshi he wrote it. Everyone says karate will not work becaise of kata, low stances, old ways of training. Facts are that there is more than one way to skin a cat. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
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