SaiFightsMS Posted June 9, 2003 Posted June 9, 2003 The differences in the kata's I have learned in matsubayshi shorin ryu and shotokan are basically the length or depth of the stance. And Shorin ryu being Okinawan bases uses some different terms for the same technique. Other than that both pretty much stress equal use of hands and feet. Katas are similar with shorin ryu using the older Okinawan names (ex Pinan, Naihanch) while shotokan uses Japanese names (Heian, Tekki). And where you might see a cat stance in shorin ryu it may very well be a kokutsu dachi in shotokan.
Neil Posted June 9, 2003 Posted June 9, 2003 Goju Ryu is a very strong style. It i hard soft in terms of internal and external, and many people refer totechniques as being 'soft' techniques and all that krap. But Goju is designed for a very powerful body. Japanese Karate irrespective of style be it Goju Kai, or shorin ryu is NOT a Martial Art. Anything with the suffix Do attached is not a Martial Art. Again this block strike krap is back. There is no such thing as a block in karate! Blocks were taught in old day Okiniwa as strengh and conditioning drills NOT APPLICATIONS TO A REAL FIGHT. Why block the guy when you can smack him? Again people teaching karate these days really does give karate a bad name because what they are teaching is not even a Martial Art. People are so hooked up on styles that when it comes to the street and your blood is pumping and that gang is coming up to you and then you try to defend your self using 'techniques'. There really is no such thing as a techniue, only principles of techniques. Its not about techniques, its about proper attitude. The term Bujutsu means literally 'To stop the spear' or to stop violance. A Martial Arts application is not to learn hot to fight, if you want to learn how to fight go down the boxing gym, karate has absolutley nothing to do with it, karate does not work in fighting karate itself is krap and will never work in a million years. But its application to stopping a fight butt dead is devastating. withen the first 3 seconds of a fight it should all be other. Thats what karates application is all about. And then we get back to all this style krap and people are teaching nothing but a gymnastic sport compromising of nothing but empty shapes and techniques. They can learn a million and one katas but not know the first thing about any of them or any of their applications, they have no idea about biomechanics, psycology of confrontation, bioenergetics, bionomics, straetgies, sports psycology, physiology, kinesiology, stratagems, tactics, movement characteristics, understanding of kata, applications etc All the things above are what a Sensei should know. Sensei means 'Born before' it means a teacher of life and people who spend a few years in a dojo go off and start teaching a style compromising nohing more than a warm up, marching up and down the dojo floor trying to punch thin air as hard as possible, and tickling their egos, do a bit of kata compromising nothin of shapes, and when getting onto apllications taught to block, counter, strike, when really this has nothing to do with fighting or applicatons but are in fact taught as a conditioning and movement drill, nothing more
theswarm Posted June 10, 2003 Posted June 10, 2003 people refer to them as soft techniques? I always thought the 'soft' in goju was to do with the relax before the snap (maybe i'm totally off track)
Neil Posted June 10, 2003 Posted June 10, 2003 No it does not represent the Ju in Goju. Ju or soft, comes form the body being put under relaxed pressure. The body is always hard and soft. It is hard due to all the muslce of the body always being tensed, but it is at the same time under relaxed pressure since the body is under pressure by pushing the shoulders down, rolling the stomach, pushing the lats down, screwing the feet into the down, pushing all your weight down into the floor. This gives a natural tension in the body which is much stronger than forcefully tensing each muscle, also you can keep that natural tension in the body all day long since you are simply creating tension by moving your body in the right position, not actually tensing it. This is what represents hard/soft. there is no such things as a external and internal art. Karate is internal and external, same as Tai Chi being external as well as internal. Neil
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