Treebranch Posted June 9, 2003 Posted June 9, 2003 Yeah, OK my bad. You make a good point. So your specifically referring to the Togakure ryu? If that's the case I agree that the taijutsu taught in the non ninja ryu are more fit for actual fighting. The misunderstanding was because of the Bujinkan is teaching us Togakure Ryu Ninpo Taijutsu which is the mixture of the 9 Ryu. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Kirves Posted June 9, 2003 Posted June 9, 2003 Hmmm... Bujinkan Dojo teaches Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu (previously known as Bujinkan Ninpo Taijutsu) which is a mixture of the 9 ryu one of which is Togakure Ryu. Togakure is not a mixture of the nine, but one of the nine that makes the mixture. Bujinkan Taijutsu is the mixture. Togakure ryu is one of the oldest ryu in the Bujinkan mix, so it could not possibly be the mixture itself as the many of the other ryu-ha are more recent. From the Dayton Bujinkan website FAQ you can get a simple answer to the question at hand: http://www.daytonbujinkan.com/qa.html#2top And here's a quote from the site for those lazy enough to skip checking the site:Although students are taught multiple techniques from the nine ryu, Dr. Hatsumi teaches the culmination of these lineages as one martial arts body, of which he has titled Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu. Therefore, students of the Dayton Bujinkan Dojo are tested & licensed in Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, not the specific lineages. It is true that a few senior students of Dr. Hatsumi have been licensed in some of the specific ryu, but this is not very common today.
Treebranch Posted June 10, 2003 Posted June 10, 2003 You're right Kirves, my bad. It's Budo Taijutsu that contains all the nine schools. Togakure Ryu Ninpo Taijutsu is one of the nine. Budo Taijutsu used to be Ninjutsu, but because of all the bad hype the Ninja craze in the eighties created Soke Hatsumi renamed it Budo Taijutsu. So Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu is correct as you stated. I do agree with you that the Ninpo aspect of Budo Taijutsu is less useful for Modern purposes, but still really interesting and fun. Thanks "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Kirves Posted June 10, 2003 Posted June 10, 2003 Fun yes. And useful when you already know how to fight! Now, there's something to look forward to. I was just picky about calling one a "ninjutsu-student" when one has started training in one of the X-kans. Nothing personal.
Treebranch Posted June 10, 2003 Posted June 10, 2003 No harm done Kirves, thanks. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Davison Posted June 11, 2003 Posted June 11, 2003 if people train ninjutsu,are they considered ninja? Why punch someone when their on the ground when you can just kick them
Treebranch Posted June 11, 2003 Posted June 11, 2003 As far as I know, no one training in Ninjutsu considers themselves a Ninja. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Treebranch Posted June 12, 2003 Posted June 12, 2003 Yeah, teenagers. Hey Kirves what does your signature saying mean?, just curious. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
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