Drunken Monkey Posted June 11, 2003 Posted June 11, 2003 slight misunderstanding here. sorry... before the reign of yung cheng (1723-1736), the development of cantonese opera was very limited. in the years of yung cheng, cheung ng of wu pak, also known as tan sau ng, brought his skills to fatshan and organisd the hun fa wui koon. from "a study of on the history of cantonese opera" by mak siu har. if you believe the stories then kin lung was the one who ordered the burning of the temple and his reign was approx. 1736-1795. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
pvwingchun Posted June 11, 2003 Author Posted June 11, 2003 It is beleived that he developed one particular "sect" of the opera by some. I beleive I read the opera at its peak had somewhere around 20 vessels. As I said there are so many stories and so many claim to have basis in fact. The Ving Tsun Mususeum here in the states now claims to have the authentic history......Which many believe simply to be a marketing ploy to sell their particular brand of Wing Chun. So don't get me wrong I am not saying you are wrong and I am right just putting fuel for debate out there. Hoping that we can get some others in on this conversation. I read recently that history is just one persons version of the known facts twisted to fit their particular outcome. With all that said it is interesting getting others opinions. As for Ng Mui being a Ming princess this is just one of the histories I have read. Supposedly the Ming Princess Wu Mei????? was put into the temple for safety. She was trained by the monks in the martial arts and became the keeper of WC. Another good story, although there may be basis for her existence, as to whether she was Ng Mui or not, your guess is as good as anybodies. Wing Chun Kuen Alliancehttps://www.wing-chun.us
Drunken Monkey Posted June 11, 2003 Posted June 11, 2003 whoa whoa, i know there is no offence meant. after all, you and i are brothers in wing chun. but one thing though, is this the ving tsun of leung ting? if it is you should be aware of the slightly dubious way in which his organisation is run. as for the princess story, it smells a bit like old chinese romanticism to me... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
pvwingchun Posted June 11, 2003 Author Posted June 11, 2003 whoa whoa, i know there is no offence meant. after all, you and i are brothers in wing chun. I realize there is no offense meant. I am simply stating that we all have our opinions. And based on the lack of actual factual evidence in Chinese history those opinions are going to be varied. But it is good to hear that as brothers in WC we can debate something without petty mudslinging and name calling as frequently happens on the Kung Fu Online forum which I read and post to occassionally. No they are not affiliated with Leung Ting. They "claim" to represent all WC lineages. But while they claim to represent all there articles are skewed towards their "brand " of WC. Wing Chun Kuen Alliancehttps://www.wing-chun.us
Drunken Monkey Posted June 11, 2003 Posted June 11, 2003 yeah i know what you mean. like i said, elsewhere, money has a way of making people do things... something else just came to mind, about the knife set. someone please correct me. what i seem to reall is that it was the knife set of miu hin who was supposed to be one of the five. he was also the father of iu chui fa who was the mother of fong sai yuk... is this right? post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Drunken Monkey Posted June 11, 2003 Posted June 11, 2003 yeah i know what you mean. like i said, elsewhere, money has a way of making people do things... something else just came to mind, about the knife set. someone please correct me. what i seem to recall is that it was the knife set of miu hin who was supposed to be one of the five. he was also the father of iu chui fa who was the mother of fong sai yuk... is this right? post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Drunken Monkey Posted June 11, 2003 Posted June 11, 2003 just came across a page or two of hung suen wing chun history. know it? post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
pvwingchun Posted June 11, 2003 Author Posted June 11, 2003 I know very little of the history of the knives. I have read that although somewhat different than today's knives they were a weapon used by the monks. Wing Chun Kuen Alliancehttps://www.wing-chun.us
Drunken Monkey Posted June 12, 2003 Posted June 12, 2003 just a bit of nosing about now. in your first form, in the first section, where do you drop your fook sau to after you draw back your wu sau? i've seen it drop to the dan tien area and i've seen it drawn to solar plexus and i've seen it remain at chest/heart level. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
pvwingchun Posted June 12, 2003 Author Posted June 12, 2003 We pull wu sao back to solar plexus level then drop to fook sao which remains at the solar plexus level. Then travels at an angle up to about mid throat level before huening to wu sao. Wing Chun Kuen Alliancehttps://www.wing-chun.us
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