Lets Discuss the "Dim Mak" (Death Touch)

[47MartialMan]

Having a Chinese instructor, the subject of "Dim Muk" (Dim Mahk) was discussed.

 

Translated through Mandarin;

 

"Dian Mai"

 

"Dian"-meaning "to point"

 

"Mai"-meaning "pulse/veins/artery"

 

Translated as "to point (focus) on the pulse/veins/artery (vital)"

 

Thought of as Qi Gong or Hocus Pocus.

 

Simply, human anatomical charts are examined per certain time of day that the pulse/veins are at their weakest.

 

These times are studied and a strike to these areas cause a below surface blood clot.

 

Unlike other blood clots per contusions that remain where they were struck or created, these travel throughout the body.

 

So far, there is no concrete medical accounts and documentation to verify this.

 

"Dian Mai" was a term used to strike those specific areas in past history. In speaking of the past, victims died not from the technique, but from lack of proper medical treatment, which was at time, not readily available. From such a clot, inflammation, blistering sores, and infection occurred.

 

A blow to any artery will cause such clotting, but modern medicine has common treatment for this.

 

If not properly treated, the person could die.

 

My Chinese instructor, although old, had these "Mythological Superstitions". But, through age, he had gained more wisdom. He told me that he had "not personally witnessed such feat".

 

Has anyone?

 

Such feats, as Qi Gong, are staged. So the observer is misled like that of a magic show.

 

Martial artists need to use logical reasoning and through physics and modern medicine, realize such improbabilities.

[SiluntSoul]

Lol. my brother would always tease me by poking me hard in the center of my chest and i would say it didnt hurt, and he would say "just wait in 3 hours, youll be dead" jokingly. But science shows that if you do poke someone hard enought in the right spot in the chest, it can cause your heart to skip a beat or something. I might be wrong, so please correct me if so. By the way im new, and looks like a great place. =)

[47MartialMan]

No proof.....why not use a animal to prove it?

[markusan]

The bit about the poke in the chest is true, but it has to be one helluva poke. When you learn CPR you are taught never to do it to someone who's heart is beating because it could cause it to stop. But it takes a significant depression of the chest to do that. In the same way a powerful punch to the heart can upset the heart's rythm. But it is the physical pressure doing the damage, nothing else.

[47MartialMan]

Good point

[JerryLove]

The bit about the poke in the chest is true, but it has to be one helluva poke. When you learn CPR you are taught never to do it to someone who's heart is beating because it could cause it to stop.

 

Yes, chest compressions can throw a heart into arythmia... there is also a split-second i neach beat where it can be interfered with without compressoin. You most often see this triggered in baseball; where you sporatically get a kid getting hit in the chest with a ball and fall down dead.

Thought of as Qi Gong or Hocus Pocus.

 

This doesn't appear to be a sentance.

Simply, human anatomical charts are examined per certain time of day that the pulse/veins are at their weakest.

 

These times are studied and a strike to these areas cause a below surface blood clot.

 

Unlike other blood clots per contusions that remain where they were struck or created, these travel throughout the body.

This seems to create several unsupported asertions and does not jive well with reality.

 

The first and most obvious is that vessel walls weaken and strengthen (in different parts at different time) over the course of the day.

 

Another obvious falining is the assertion that clots in the blood stream do not normally travel. They do.

 

Finally, this ignores the visceral reality of the nature of many of the dim-mak stikes (and, indeed, non-strikes); which are not of a force or location to accomplish said activity.

 

That said, one most certainly can cause clotting (or in older victims like myself, simply release plaque) with a strike to a large artery... it's one of the dangers of doing the "side of the neck" knock-out strike.

"Dian Mai" was a term used to strike those specific areas in past history. In speaking of the past, victims died not from the technique, but from lack of proper medical treatment, which was at time, not readily available. From such a clot, inflammation, blistering sores, and infection occurred.

 

Having personaqlly hit and been hit with energetic attacks which get worse over time; they are generally fixable in the same manners they are inflicted.

A blow to any artery will cause such clotting, but modern medicine has common treatment for this.

Acutally, if a blood clot does not kill you relatively quickly, then your kidney's will filter it out... that's their job.

My Chinese instructor, although old, had these "Mythological Superstitions". But, through age, he had gained more wisdom. He told me that he had "not personally witnessed such feat".

 

Has anyone?

 

Such feats, as Qi Gong, are staged. So the observer is misled like that of a magic show.

 

I have... I've done double-blind testing on aspectes of non-contact qigong. I'm sorry to hear that he is appealing to his own ignorance that he not seeing it means it's not there. I certainly welcome you to the school... I have a few that are pretty obvious to feel.

[47MartialMan]

The first and most obvious is that vessel walls weaken and strengthen (in different parts at different time) over the course of the day.

 

Bascially something like that I was trying to state.

 

Another obvious falining is the assertion that clots in the blood stream do not normally travel. They do.

 

I said they traveled

 

Finally, this ignores the visceral reality of the nature of many of the dim-mak stikes (and, indeed, non-strikes); which are not of a force or location to accomplish said activity.

 

Explain further????

 

That said, one most certainly can cause clotting (or in older victims like myself, simply release plaque) with a strike to a large artery... it's one of the dangers of doing the "side of the neck" knock-out strike.

 

Any such blow could do this.

 

Acutally, if a blood clot does not kill you relatively quickly, then your kidney's will filter it out... that's their job.

 

Agreed

 

Having personaqlly hit and been hit with energetic attacks which get worse over time; they are generally fixable in the same manners they are inflicted.

 

"Energetic"?

 

I have... I've done double-blind testing on aspectes of non-contact qigong. I'm sorry to hear that he is appealing to his own ignorance that he not seeing it means it's not there. I certainly welcome you to the school... I have a few that are pretty obvious to feel.

 

We (he and I) are talking about those Qi Gong parlor tricks like breaking, bed of nails, etc.

 

I felt those stimulis and do not think its a mysterious energy.

[47MartialMan]

JerryLove,

 

I had visited that website https://www.clearsilat.com

 

Very interesting.

 

Are you Mr Clear?

 

I'll take your invitation.

 

Not out of ego, but curiousity.

 

Email me details of class hours, telephone, directions from Louisiana.

[PhDPeddler]

Does not mean much on these boards but outside......I also am a student of Richard Clear. I wish I had found him years ago.

[47MartialMan]

Out of curiousity, how is it?