Lets Discuss the "Dim Mak" (Death Touch)

[JerryLove]

And I'm sure he was his instructors only pupil huh?

[Sauzin]

And I'm sure he was his instructors only pupil huh?

 

Well in the case of Oyata, he may not have been the only guy to learn from Shigeru Nakamura (Oyata's instructor) but he was one of the few to stick with him long enough to have such knowledge. Nakamura's two senior students were Seikichi Odo (recently deceased) and Seiyu Oyata. These were the two his system was passed on to. Odo was very passionate in his belief that ki did not exist. He likewise dismissed the idea of pressure points that manipulated ki. That does make Oyata a rather unique individual. I’m not trying to say that he is the sole holder of Okinawa’s pressure point lineage. Quite the opposite. I am simply pointing out that if you are looking for pressure point knowledge descending from Nakamura then he’s is probably the only living person who would have that directly. Still there are many things he learned from Nakamura. Pressure points would only be a drop in a very large bucket. If I had the opportunity, I would ask to be introduced to the bucket itself.

[JerryLove]

were the two his system was passed on to. Odo was very passionate in his belief that ki did not exist.

So the senior student of the guy Otata learned all his ki stuff from, exposed to everything Oyata was, said that there was no ki? Seems that anyone with the eergy skills you infer would easily be able to prove the exitance of ki.

[Sauzin]

were the two his system was passed on to. Odo was very passionate in his belief that ki did not exist.

So the senior student of the guy Otata learned all his ki stuff from, exposed to everything Oyata was, said that there was no ki? Seems that anyone with the eergy skills you infer would easily be able to prove the exitance of ki.

There's something I would again like to stress. Oyata learned a lot from Nakamura. Not just "Ki stuff". Nakamura was known for having developed rules and gear around full contact sparring on Okinawa. His nick name was "punch knight" and if he was known for anything he was known for knocking people out, down, or breathless with a single punch. He nor Oyata was or is known for pressure points (or at least they shouldn't be). Oyata simply includes them in his instruction to senior students to explain and demonstrate one small aspect of his art. It just so happens that he sees and teaches this aspect differently then Odo. To understand why one top student had such a different view on this subject then the other you would have to know them. It's not that Odo wasn't taught pressure points. He just made his own mind up. He was very stubborn about the subject. Even if he had seen someone light a cotton ball on fire with thier ki I don’t think he would have believed in it.

 

It's not the only thing Oyata did differently from Odo. While they have largely the same kata they perform them very differently. It's actually somewhat difficult to recognize the similarities between the two. Oyata makes much larger movements and is a much bigger guy then Odo ever was. They had different attitudes as well. I can't speak for every reason one included pressure points and one didn't. What I do know is that Oyata is the real deal in many aspects, pressure points included. Oyata credits his teachings to Nakamura. If you want more detail then that, you'll need to ask him yourself.

[Sasori_Te]

Sensei Oyata also was instructed by a Chinese gentleman, I can't recall his name right off hand but I will look it up for this topic. He was introduced to this teacher because of his family's name on Okinawa. They wer some sort of minor officials or some such. Sensei Oyate learned the Chinese 5 element methods of Chi and the philosophy behind it from him. You can go to some of the pages on Ryu te and find the whole story. You might want to also look up Oyata Shin Shu Ho which is Taika Oyata's karate that he teaches to his most faithful students.

[Red Triangle student]

This martial art sounds really dangerous. Im sure you could practice it though with logic. If you were to be the victim of murder then you could go for some of the most obvious pressure points couldn't you?

[G Money Slick]

It sounds like an awesome move.

[Red Triangle student]

yeah i wouldnt mind doing this to a few certain people i know.

[Jiyn]

that sounds really dangerous and a bit mental but i would be really effective if you were in a life and death fight like if they had knives and knmuckeldusters etc.

[Thuggish]

no such thing, youre like old women...