wcnavstar Posted May 27, 2003 Posted May 27, 2003 I my self have beein in the study of WC for sometime now. And I beleive it to be one of the more pratical fighting arts in the world. However, When it comes to weapon the WC pole is just in my opinion not very good at all. Now I know that the Pole was not an origional WC weapon, that it was introduced much later on after its creation. The blocking movments and the strikes while holind the pole at tis end is not pratical for use with the pole. I have instead been deticating my time in the study of Ryu Kyu Kobudo. Which is the study of Okinawan weapons such as the Bo (pole), Nunchaku, Sai, Tonfa, Kama, Tekko and more... I want to know what the rest of you Wing Chun practitioners out there think of the WC pole. And for the rest of you who do not know WC lets hear about your opinions on the effectivness of your styles weapons forms. Very Respectfully wcnavstar "We work with being, but non-being is what we use" Tao Te Ching
Drunken Monkey Posted May 27, 2003 Posted May 27, 2003 like most things in wing chun, the usefulness of the pole form lies in it's simplicity. it is very direct with very simple answers to many situations. you should also remember that the moves we learn are for use specifically with the 9foot tapered pole. personally, i believe that the pole form is a "leftover" of when wing chun was developing on the opera boats. you have to imagine that on the red junks, there wasn't much opportunity for them to train for strength. the pole (as a leverage bar) is an excellent way to develop strength in the areas that you need most in wing chun (namely the wrists in preparation for baat cham doe and the forearms). i mean, have you tried to to the single arm lifts from the narrow end??? man, how does sifu do it??? post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
wcnavstar Posted May 27, 2003 Author Posted May 27, 2003 I totally agree with you; however, there are some things that can be too simple to the point to where it is useless in actual aplication. I do know of the strength benifits accompanied with the pole training. And I have seen some WC people wield the pole without strain, yet I still remain true to the Okinawan Bo for practicality. Very Respectfully wcnavstar "We work with being, but non-being is what we use" Tao Te Ching
Drunken Monkey Posted May 27, 2003 Posted May 27, 2003 maybe i'm just biased towards the chinese ways but have you looked at the original chinese poll forms. after all, the staff is THE classic chinese art... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
wcnavstar Posted May 27, 2003 Author Posted May 27, 2003 I have seen and done other Chinese pole forms but other than WC pole forms they lack simplicity. WC pole forms are simply too simple. Have you ever seen a Bo form from traditional Ryu Kyu Kobudo? I will try and search the net for some good video but I think I will come up emoty handed. You should most definitly open up your mind when it comes to researching other methods however. I among others realise how hard that can be. you should really look into other weapon fighting arts. Besides WC being an awsome empty handed style it is not exactly know for its weapon fighting ability. Very Rspectfully wcnavstar "We work with being, but non-being is what we use" Tao Te Ching
Drunken Monkey Posted May 27, 2003 Posted May 27, 2003 well, the baat cham doe does kick ass though... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
wcnavstar Posted May 27, 2003 Author Posted May 27, 2003 Very, very true! "We work with being, but non-being is what we use" Tao Te Ching
Drunken Monkey Posted May 27, 2003 Posted May 27, 2003 and you have to appreciate the times during which wing chun was developed. eveything is simple and narrow because that was the environment that it was trained in and where it's intended to be used. the older weapons all require quite a bit of space while the wing chun dude only needs to be able to get his hands in front of himself (or herself ) post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
wcnavstar Posted May 27, 2003 Author Posted May 27, 2003 Ahh! Once again this is about weapon capability, not WC's empty handed ability. Which we both know is in many ways without compare. And I most definitly understand why the WC pole was developed in the manner that it was. Never the less, ineffective! Very Respectfully wcnavstar "We work with being, but non-being is what we use" Tao Te Ching
Drunken Monkey Posted May 27, 2003 Posted May 27, 2003 but in it's environment i still believe it will be prove itself to be more effective than it seems... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
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