Treebranch Posted May 23, 2003 Author Share Posted May 23, 2003 No offense but what a dumb article, do you have to always be right? O.K. your right. Breath in, now exhale. All is good in the world. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewGreen Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 Don't like it? Pick up a intro Logic book and look up the fallacy of "Appeal to Authority" as it relates to tradition. Copi's is pretty standard, A basic understanding of logic and fallacies might help you out. Until then we're through as it seems you never actually READ anything that gets posted, you just carry on saying how nothing can possibly beat your ninja training. It's hard to take you seriously when you keep arguing the same things when they have nothing to do with what anyone has actually written. Andrew Greenhttp://innovativema.ca - All the top martial arts news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJS Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 TreeBranch-there really was nothing wrong with that article..instead of just saying it's dumb why not point out a false statment in it or bad reasoning, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karate_woman Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 I was particularly interested in this part of the article: It should not be assumed that new things must be better than old things (see the fallacy Appeal to Novelty) any more than it should be assumed that old things are better than new things. The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. -Lao-Tse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treebranch Posted May 23, 2003 Author Share Posted May 23, 2003 O.K. TJS your right, but both points can be argued until we are blue in the face. Is new better than old? Sometimes Yes. Is old better than new? Sometimes Yes. This can be debated into a circle forever. I just think people are more influenced by what's new and don't bother to look at the benefits of Tradition. Some Traditions are worth keeping, because alot of what new is based more on comercialism than on principle. I work in Graphic Design and Adverstising now, and our job is to manipulate the consumers into buying our products and services. Is our product better, than out competitors, not really. But we hope by advertising and appealing to our target audience, they will think so. UFC and NHB fights have had a great advertising campaign behind it, to promote MMA. MMA is what works in those type of fights with their set of rules. Are these people in these fights great fighters? Yes, of course they are. Personally I don't plan on fighting those guys, and I have no desire to be a competitive fighter. I just don't like it when people point to the success of these fighters and assume just because they study the same MA's that they will have the same success. I don't care what people think of Budo Taijutsu, because most people don't really now what it is. They are too scared to like it, or to study it for the fear of being ridiculed. The stigmas that were created by the Ninja boom in the 80"s is still with us and it was the result of bad movies. They portrayed Ninja as men in black get-ups sneaking around doing back flips and getting their butts kicks. The image of Ninjutsu is so not what we are about. It's sad to me that people can't see past the exterior of things and investigate for themselves. As for picking up a logic book to win an argument that can't possibly be won, I'll leave that exhausting task to someone else. Also how can someone so logical and philosphical think there is only one way of doing things? Things without structure crumble to the ground. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ONEfighting Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 MMA is not just what works in "those" type of fights under "their" sets of rules. MMA strips away all the classical bs, as outlined by Bruce Lee. MMA comes closer to true Jeet Kune Do than Bruce Lee could have ever imagined. Trainwreck Tiemeyerwishes he was R. Lee Ermey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treebranch Posted May 23, 2003 Author Share Posted May 23, 2003 That's great I'm not denying it can also be effective on the street. But what about weapons training and street tactics? I never heard of MMA training for that, or multiple attackers. There are very good techniques of positioning yourself for multiple attackers. I think it comes down why you study Martial Arts that's important. We all have our own temperment and taste. In reality there is no Best Martial Art, just best for the individual. I never put down MMA's and I never said it's not effective. I just don't think people should put TMA's down, just because it doesn't suit their taste. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ONEfighting Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 I don't find fault in arts that are deemed "traditional", I find fault in arts that rely on theory rather than practice. I know far too many martial artists who have been beaten down by unskilled and untrained fighters when their "lethal" self defense broke under the pressure. They should have fared better, with their training and all, but they either had the wrong mindset, or poor economy of motion, or they were just too frozen up to make their techniques work. The main difference between the two schools of thought is this. TMA makes martial artists. MMA makes fighters. Trainwreck Tiemeyerwishes he was R. Lee Ermey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treebranch Posted May 23, 2003 Author Share Posted May 23, 2003 Again, I agree with you. It's how you train, not what you train that makes you a fighter. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewGreen Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 Once again, Go and read the other thread, I mentioned those things several times. Andrew Greenhttp://innovativema.ca - All the top martial arts news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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