KickChick Posted September 14, 2001 Posted September 14, 2001 I'm a lover not a fighter....really! Just "self defending" here! : Deby _________________ 1st Deg. TaeKwonDo Black Belt/Fitness Kickboxing (Moderator of Health & Fitness Forum) "A woman does not practice martial arts so that she can fight like a man. She does so in order to be free to be a woman." [ This Message was edited by: KickChick on 2001-09-14 11:43 ]
KickChick Posted September 14, 2001 Posted September 14, 2001 ...oh, and Patrick....you can let go of me now! Deby
thaiboxerken Posted September 14, 2001 Posted September 14, 2001 Kickboxing is starting to become, if it hasn't already, a martial art of it's own. There are many places that teach "kickboxing" and that's it. It's just like boxing. I consider bxing a martial art also, it is a learned skill of beating a person down with your fists. Anyway, I feel that learning kickboxing as well as a more well-rounded martial art has benefits as opposed to just doing one or the other. You'll get your workout, you'll get sparring, you'll get to punch and kick people. I feel that sport is just another training method, and a good one at that. Just kick 'em, they'll understand.- Me Apprentice Instructor under Guro Inosanto in Jun Fan Gung Fu and Filipinno Martial arts.Certified Instructor of Frank Cucci's Linxx system of martial arts.
Kickbutt Posted September 14, 2001 Posted September 14, 2001 Yeah, I agree Ken - but why is it that it's not considered a martial art of its own? We use martial art techniques - we practice katas and kumite in my school - we do alot if not all the same kicks that taekwondo does - and wasn't it martial artists that started kickboxing? Just wondering... Lori If you think something small cannot make a difference - try going to sleep with a mosquito in the room.-Unknown-
Karateka Posted September 15, 2001 Posted September 15, 2001 Some people don't consider it a Martial Art because of the fact that it does not have an artistic side. I know Kickbutt's dojo does do Kata, however Thaiboxerken doesn't. Also, my friend who does Kickboxing doesn't do Kata anymore. There is no set body or organization that lets down the ground rules for this. If there was a single organization that people could turn to, whose specific goal is to better kickboxing around the world, then it would have better standing. I personally think it is a Martial Art. However, some people who practice it aren't really Martial Artists. That is the sad thing with public marketing. You always get the wanna be's! "Never hit a man while he's down; kick him, its easier"Sensei Ron Bagley (My Sensei)
babysteffee Posted September 15, 2001 Posted September 15, 2001 Ooops, I hope it wasn't me that set this argument off...what I meant was that kickboxing isn't a traditional martial art. Many people view it as a martial art nowadays but it hasn't always been so...oh dear.
havoc Posted September 16, 2001 Posted September 16, 2001 what did you mean by wanna be's? before anything can be organized things have to be understood. most ppl don't know what kickboxing is. the word kickboxing was used well before joe lewis (the martial artist that was spoken of) started the full contact movement. full contact grew out of karate tournaments that didn't allow full contact.once the realised they couldn't use karate strikes with protective gear on effectively they adopted boxing into it. it evolved into a sport. kickboxing started in japan, and muaythai has been a sport since the 30's. call it what you want but i certainly don't consider myself a martail artist and quite frankily don't want other ppl looking at me in that way either. like it or not, most mainstream ppl, because of hollywood or taking there children to karate class, don't take martial arts seriously.then they attach the ma's to kickboxing and they don't take it serious either.
Iron Arahat Posted September 16, 2001 Posted September 16, 2001 I think Karateka is refering to people just opening a "kickboxing" school, who are not really qualified to teach. Boxing has had similar problems. Anyone can train a boxer, and send them out into the world, even if they have never fought a round in their life or been taught properly. Because there is big bucks in boxing some guys think they can throw bodies into the ring, and maybe get lucky with someone with natural fight talent. The same thing is happening with kickboxing. I don't think Karateka was saying all "Kickboxers" are wanna be's. Martial Arts School http://www.shaolinwushu.cahttp://www.liveyyc.comCalgary Photographer: http://www.jdirom.com
username115 Posted September 18, 2001 Posted September 18, 2001 I am currently training in kickboxing. My sensei has experiece in traditional (black belts in kempo and judo), ad various "modern" mixed martial arts. So I would consider myself to be partially studying a martial art, but primarily I guess kickboxing is a sport. I think whether kickboxing is an art, very much depends on who and how you learn it... Just my 2 cents......
username115 Posted September 18, 2001 Posted September 18, 2001 oops, sorry missed the question. Which is better? They are too different. For a traditional martial art, go to karate. For something more sporty / energetic (possible taught in a traditional manner, depending on the school), go for kickboxing
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