Mixed Martial Arts, Brazilian Ju Jitsu, and Reality

[WC-Strayder]

Kyle-san, your the best!. Could not said it better myself. It seems to me that a lot of people here looks down on any other style/art that is not a mix and I can't figure out why!. Coz whitout all of the worlds styles/arts it have been no MMA. They have forgoten that it is not the style itself who make people good, but s/he who use the style and this is sad. They actually seems to be thinking that a tournament is a good place to see what style is the best, but the word is that this so called tournaments is a fixed fight, like the american wrestling sort of thing, and that they don't let in really good fighters of other styles. I read this it in the last issue ofCombat Mag, so se for your self.

 

I really don't care, coz I'm still gonna train my good'old traditional Wing Chun Kung Fu no matter what this people say and are more than happy about it to, but I'm starting to get a little tired of this "If you don't do mix, your'e a no good MA!", crap in every tread, no matter what the tread/topic started with in the first place.

 

To the others here, keep up the good work and don't get upset about it, it's just a lack of maturety I think.

[1ONEfighting]

Mixed Martial Arts is the sport, not a style. If you have one art that encompasses all ranges, and you decide to compete in MMA, you ARE a mixed martial artist, just like someone who plays baseball is a baseball player, regardless of the position they play.

 

If you don't mix, you can still be a very good martial artist. If you do mix, and decide to actually learn from fellow martial artists who JUST might be able to show you something you missed, you can be a much better martial artist. My posts have all been completely respectful of the opinions of others, and I hardly think any of them can be considered immature.

 

As far as those fights being fixed, you are disrespecting a lot of good people and great martial artists, all of whom have one thing a lot of others do not. BALLS. At least they get in the ring.

[WC-Strayder]

So bye the eng. mag Combat for yourself and take a look then!. I'm just sick and tired of the harazment here on KF about all the styles that had not competed in this tournament, like we are nothing compered to you!. See my point?. I'm not disrespecting anyone, just quoting what I read. If you don't believe me, look for your self.

 

You know as well as me that it isn't the style/art/whatever who starts fights, but people, so stop "asuming" that BJJ, MMA or whatever is any better than anything else just by judge it from a tournament, please!.

[TJS]

WC Strayder you are missing the point of MMA, no one is saying certain stlyes are not effective but look at it like this-

 

say for example you have studies WC for 3 years.

 

Someone else has also studied WC for 3 years but they are also a competent wrestler and an experienced Muay Thai fighter.

 

Who is going to be the better fighter excluding other variables? it's just logic. no one is saying that one stlye is inneffective but If someone has similar or equal skills to you in one area and better than you in another they are going to be more rounded fighter.

[ZR440]

While I'd be afraid of a person who has trained in many styles, I'd be even more afraid of someone who has trained in one all their life.

[1ONEfighting]

When did I "assume" anything? My only real problem is blind style loyalty, whether it be to BJJ, Wing Tsun, TKD, wrestling, or tiddly winks jitsu. If you study Wing Tsun your whole life, but take wrestling in high school, does this make you a wrestler or a Kung Fu stylist? I will train with anyone, regardless of their discipline, and if I see something I like, I endeavor to learn it.

 

Nothing tests your techniques more than training grappling with a good groundfighter, or putting on the gloves against a skilled boxer, and sparring under THEIR rules.

 

You need to take yourself out of your element in order to truly see the holes in your style.

[JohnnyS]

ZR440,

 

I would think that someone who had trained in only one style all their life would be more predicatable. E.g. You'd know that a wing-chun guy would have bad takedown defense, or a wrestler bad punches.

[WC-Strayder]

Like mister Danny "Lethal weapon" Glover says; "I'm too old for this shi*t!". With that I mean I'm to old to fight in a competion, or else you sure as h*ell would find me there, in a ring, just to prove you wrong!. (I'm only kidding with ya ). No, I see your point, but I don't bye it. What you basically is saying is that with little of this and some of this you can beat almost everyone else with ease, but I can tell you this: try it out with my teaher and you will see that this ain't that easy!!. He is so da*n hard and lightning fast that he had you KO'ed before you could get a hold on him, let alone get him to the ground. Se my point?. Yes, Frank Shamrock would rock his bad a** for sure, but that is not my point.

 

My point is that you will have to train allmost twice as long in many arts/styles to beat him no matter what you train, coz he trains tha same amount of time too. To me it seens you guys/girls belive that just by training mixed arts you could beat any other stylist, but you wrong!. It's not that easy!.

 

I've read Combat mag. for april again, just to be sure, and it standing there that some have tried to fight the Grasies (?), but they refuse, coz of money. He also said that UFC ( ?? spelled right ?? ) was "fixed", that really good fighters was left out of the tournament. Maybe this is true, maybe it is't, I don't know, but then again, it's all about the money, right?. Nothing wrong with making money on something you are really good at, but look at pro boxing. No fixfax there, right??. Mr Don Kings or what ever his name are is a swell guy, isn't he??. Then again, it can be politics too....

 

No hard feelings?.

[WC-Strayder]

Sorry, I've hit the Submit button by misstake....

 

Try not to chop peoples head off with your argument, coz that is what you do. You don't argue, you putting out a statement and that is whats anoying me. It's all so simple, right?. And it is just you, amazinglly enough, who have discovered that all it takes is a little MMA training and you will beat them all!. See my point here?. This is what you seems to argue with, a statement instead of a good, healthy disscusion.

 

End of line, I'm now hitting Submit (or do a takedown on it if you prefer that )

[JohnnyS]

WC-Strayder,

 

I don't think you cold be more incorrect.

 

Firstly, with regard to stand-up, it's a slow learning curve. So someone who has been training for 15 years isn't going to be too far ahead of someone who's been training for 10 years.

 

Secondly, if someone has spent all their time doing stand-up and you've done nearly the same amount but go off and learn takedowns and BJJ, you will win because you should be able to neutralise their stand-up enough to take them down and take the fight out of their element.