Treebranch Posted May 7, 2003 Posted May 7, 2003 You were never taught what to do if your grabbed by more than one person? There are things you can do to free yourself you know. I've seen it done by people who don't know how to fight. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
JohnnyS Posted May 7, 2003 Posted May 7, 2003 Actually it was. Togakure is the major ninjitsu style in Australia and I've seen about half a dozen different schools. If you enjoy it then great (because the main thing is to have fun with what you're doing). I just wasn't impressed with what I saw. Let me add this however: One of the associate schools under my instructor is a ninjitsu school in New Zealand. My instructor, John Will, thought they were going to be typical ninja's but he had to re-evaluate his ideas on ninjitsu after training with these guys. He said they train really hard and don't get into all the bullsh*t usually associated with ninjitsu. BTW, they really love BJJ and now train it as part of their regular classes I believe. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
Treebranch Posted May 8, 2003 Posted May 8, 2003 There a nine schools of fighting in Ninpo Taijutsu, 3 of them are Ninjitsu skills, the other seven are fighting and weapons. All nine come in handy, but my goal is not to be a Ninja. It's a lot to learn, but that's what I like about it. That's Ninpo Taijutsu for you, studying the weaknesses and strengths of other MA's to evolve even more, that's what it's always being about. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
1ONEfighting Posted May 8, 2003 Posted May 8, 2003 Saying that a MMA oriented fighter can't fight on the street is very shortsighted. Unlike most sporting martial arts, all of a mixed martial artist's techniques can be used on the street. It's up to the individual martial artist to endeavor to learn all of the techniques he is not allowed to do in the cage. I guarantee all of the MMA fighters you see on TV know A LOT of dirty tricks for the street. If you can't beat them WITH rules, what on earth makes you think you can beat them WITHOUT rules? Today's Mixed Martial Artists are increasingly well rounded, to the degree that a pure grappler OR a pure striker has no chance in the cage. The best defense against a technique is to learn that technique yourself. If you only practice remedial antigrappling, You are still leaving a large part of your arsenal at home. If the opportunity for a choke or jointlock presents itself, you need to know how to take advantage of it. In short, it's all martial arts, everyone just likes to stick with what they know best. Break that habit, and you open a world of new possibilities. Trainwreck Tiemeyerwishes he was R. Lee Ermey.
Treebranch Posted May 8, 2003 Posted May 8, 2003 So your saying, you have to know boxing to fight a boxer? You have to know Muy Thai, to fight a Muy Thai fighter? It's much more than remedial antigrappling, and I agree with you learning other techniques are necessary to learn. That is what we do. I don't plan on fighting Belfort on the street, I know better. I advise you to take your own advice as well, break the habit, you may be surprised. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
1ONEfighting Posted May 8, 2003 Posted May 8, 2003 What I am saying is you can't study only your particular art, sparring only with those within your particular art, and expect to know what the hell is going on when attacked by another style. You may THINK you can fight in any range, but you need to crosstrain, and develop techniques against SPECIALISTS in each range, not just those within your system. Otherwise, you are just paying lipservice to your art. Try to wrestle a wrestler, or box a boxer, and you will learn a lot more than you would think. Trainwreck Tiemeyerwishes he was R. Lee Ermey.
Treebranch Posted May 8, 2003 Posted May 8, 2003 Sure I agree with you, but as we have seen a wrestler can usually defeat a boxer. I studied Lima Lama Kickboxing and Tae Kwon Do, and currently I am studying Taijutsu which covers grappling. So basically I agree with you. I'm not looking to compete in MMA, if you are I think it's great, I hope I see you fight some day. I study for different reasons, but when I watch MMA competitions I see a lot of opportunities some of these guys aren't taking advantage of. Some of these guys do and those guys are usually the good ones. I'm all about learning new things, but if I'm going to really learn my art I have to dedicate my time to it, and not spend all my time trying to learn a little of everything that is popular out there. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
1ONEfighting Posted May 8, 2003 Posted May 8, 2003 I have a wide array of styles on my resume, but basically it is because I move a lot. I take whatever is available. Had I stuck with one style, That would have been great, but I would not be half the fighter I am now. I figure as long as you train consistently, you will soak up whatever is placed in front of you. And all of my crosstraining in other styles has made me a lot of friends, which I value even more than the knowledge. I'm glad you found a style you enjoy. If you flow so effortlessly between fighting ranges, with no discomfort in any, you ARE a mixed martial artist, whether you compete or not. Trainwreck Tiemeyerwishes he was R. Lee Ermey.
Treebranch Posted May 8, 2003 Posted May 8, 2003 Thanks, I can't argue with you there. I think Martial Arts no matter what style is fascinating, to think some people or someone came up with these really clever ways of fighting. It's great. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Kyle-san Posted May 8, 2003 Posted May 8, 2003 I'm glad you found a style you enjoy. If you flow so effortlessly between fighting ranges, with no discomfort in any, you ARE a mixed martial artist, whether you compete or not. And what if you meet these requirements with just one style? Does that still make a person a mixed martial artist?
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